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<p>Yeah, a group letter would be a good idea. there would be
multiple "asks".</p>
<p>First, can they stop the foot-dragging on the retrieval. In
present procedure, they always foot-drag the retrieval until the
case is getting released from the OPAP to the Examining Corps.
The correct behavior would be to retrieve the ECC (electronic
certified copy) without delay, later the same day after the filer
requests the retrieval.</p>
<p>Second, can they eliminate the human hand-keyed aspect of this.
The ADS provides the DAS access code in computer-readable
characters. The USPTO should extract the computer-readable DAS
access code from inside the XML of the ADS, and should auto-load
these computer-readable characters directly into the retrieval
system. It is stupid to flatten the ADS to an image, and then
halftone it, and then resample the DPI, and then ask a human being
at the USPTO to read it and hand-key it into the retrieval system.</p>
<p>Third, can the USPTO please just take WIPO's example and provide
a USPTO click path (perhaps within Patent Center) by which the
filer can carry out the "action" (as in ePCT) of requesting the
retrieval. And then the click path will do a real-time lookup in
DAS and in real time, the click path will display the results of
the real-time lookup. In this way, the filer can instantly learn
whether there is a problem with the DAS code. And then the actual
retrieval should proceed in an automatic way.<br>
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<p>Fourth, in the case where the filer is providing the DAS access
code in an ADS, can Patent Center simply extract the
computer-readable DAS access code from the ADS and validate it in
real time against DAS, at the time of the upload of the ADS.</p>
<p>Fifth, in the case where the filer is providing the DAS access
code in a web-based ADS, can Patent Center simply validate it in
real time against DAS, at the time of the upload of the filer's
entry of the DAS access code into the web-based ADS. Note that we
first asked for this in July of 2020.<br>
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<p>Sixth, Patent Center should display, in the foreign priority
tab, the results of the cross-check against DAS (success or
failure).</p>
<p>Seventh, <span
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Center should display, in the foreign priority tab, the
results of the retrieval attempt from DAS. If the retrieval
from DAS worked, Patent Center needs to say so, along with the
date that it happened and whether or not that date satisfies
the 4-and-16 date. If the retrieval from DAS failed, Patent
Center needs to say so.</span></p>
<p><span
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any time that the USPTO tries to retrieve an ECC from DAS and
fails, the USPTO should explicitly communicate this failure to
the filer by means of an email notification, providing
verbatim the text of the error message from DAS.</span></p>
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any time that the USPTO tries to retrieve an ECC from DAS and
succeeds, the USPTO should explicitly communicate this success
to the filer by means of an email notification.</span></p>
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<div>Thanks for the responses. There are a number of frustrating
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<div>I will proceed with a "corrected" ADS, request for
corrected filing receipt, and old SB/38 form. And, of course,
an interim copy. <br>
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<div>Maybe this situation calls for another group letter? I can
volunteer to draft one and circulate for comments (though
probably not immediately).</div>
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<div>Best regards,</div>
<div>Krista</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 8:42\u202fAM
Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice <<a
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<p>What he said. It is super important to set up tracking
in the DAS system for every would-be priority document.<br>
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<div>On 8/6/2024 9:09 AM, Randall Svihla via Patentpractice
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi, Alan</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Sometime
the USPTO misreads the access code (B for 8 or 8
for B, etc.) and submits the wrong access code,<span>
</span>Sometimes the client gives you the wrong
access code.<span> </span>By setting up tracking
in the WIPO Digital Access Service, you can see
these errors.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Best
regards.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Randall
S. Svihla</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2"
face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font
size="2" face="Calibri"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Patentpractice <a
href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Alan Taboada via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, August 6, 2024 11:04 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
For patent practitioners. This is not for
laypersons to seek legal advice. <a
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
Alan Taboada <a
href="mailto:ataboada@mtiplaw.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><ataboada@mtiplaw.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to
download priority document from DAS</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)">In
the past, we have submitted a corrected ADS with
the DAS code provided.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)">However,
I would love to know if there is a better way to
get this done as, in our experience, the USPTO has
been failing to retrieve priority applications
much more frequently and with greater and greater
hoops to be jumped through to try to get the USPTO
to electronically retrieve the certified copy of
the priority document. In some cases, we needed
to resort to obtaining a paper version of the
certified copy ourselves to provide to the USPTO
because the USPTO is incapable of obtaining it.</span></font></p>
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color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#0e2841"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)">Having
seen Randall\u2019s email prior to hitting send, we
will try that to see if that gives us better
results (thanks, Randall)!</span></font></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font
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Patentpractice <a
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Krista
Jacobsen via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, August 6, 2024 10:44 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
For patent practitioners. This is not for
laypersons to seek legal advice. <a
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
Krista Jacobsen <a
href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><krista@jacobseniplaw.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to
download priority document from DAS</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt">Hi all,</span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt">I have the same
question as Erin, and I cannot find an answer.
Am I being dumb?</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt">An application ("FPA")
was filed in a non-U.S. office, but one that
participates in DAS. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt">A U.S. non-provisional
application ("USNP") was filed and claims
priority to FPA.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt">The DAS code for FPA
was not provided by the foreign associates
before USNP was filed, so the DAS code does
not appear in the field of the ADS. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt">The 4/16 deadline is
approaching, and I need to request that the
USPTO retrieve a certified copy of FPA from
DAS. (Will also be submitting an interim copy
in case they dawdle.)</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt">It seems like it should
be simple to do this ("Hi, here's the DAS code
for the application you already know about,
please retrieve it"), and yet I cannot figure
out how.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt">Years ago when I had to
do this, I submitted an SB/38 form, which had
an Option B that allowed the DAS code to be
provided. But that form is dated 2017 and
seems to have been abrogated.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt">The current SB/38 form
only "requests that the USPTO retrieve a copy
of the following foreign priority
application(s) <u>that was not filed in a
foreign intellectual property office
participating with the USPTO in a priority
document exchange agreement</u>
('Participating Office') but was submitted in
an application subsequently filed with a
Participating Office that permits the USPTO to
retrieve such copy." </span></font></p>
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style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt">That is not my
situation. I just need to provide a DAS code
so the USPTO can retrieve the application from
another Participating Office.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt">Do I submit a
"corrected" ADS to provide the DAS code in the
foreign priority info section? </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt">Is there a different
form to do this that I have missed? I looked
through the list of forms provided by the
USPTO and did not see anything that seemed
applicable.</span></font></p>
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style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt">Thanks in advance.</span></font></p>
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style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt">Best regards,</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt">Krista</span></font></p>
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and Counselor at Law</span></font></p>
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face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt">Jacobsen IP
Law</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt">On Thu, May 16, 2024 at
9:52</span></font><font face="Arial"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span></font>AM Erin
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11pt">That
form seems to only allow for obtaining
from an EP/JP case in which the priority
application was filed, right? It does
not mention obtaining the document from
WIPO.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><font size="3"
face="Aptos"><span
style="font-size:12pt;font-style:italic">Please retrieve the foreign
priority application identified in
Column C, a copy of which is contained
in the EP or JP application identified
in Columns A and B:</span></font></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11pt">There
does not appear to be an actual form for
requesting the PTO pull the priority
document via DAS? Am I missing
something? </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11pt">Apologies
if this is a stupid question, maybe I
need more caffeine. </span></font></p>
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Re: [Patentpractice] venting -
failure to download priority
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11pt">I
agree this is incredibly frustrating!
Especially as they do not notify you
when they have successfully obtained it
via DAS except by checking a box on an
OA or NOA. It is even more troubling
when for some reason they run into an
issue and do not let you know they have
encountered an issue. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2"
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when they have not properly downloaded
it, the responsible parties at the PTO
are less than helpful when trying to
figure out what happened. </span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
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style="font-size:12pt">Filed an
application that claims priority
only from a non-US application.
Foreign priority app is in DAS (I
checked with WIPO). Provided the
USPTO with the foreign application
no. and the DAS retrieval code on an
ADS at the time of filing. Got the
filing receipt, and it acknowledges
the foreign priority claim and that
the DAS code was provided, and says
that the USPTO "will attempt to
electronically retrieve" the
priority doc. But of course, the
p.d. isn't yet in the electronic
file.</span></font></p>
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waits to retrieve the p.d. is not
news, Carl and others have written
about it. But it still bugs me: how
hard would it be for the PTO to
retrieve the document NOW instead of
waiting?</span></font></p>
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