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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Krista Jacobsen via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 6, 2024 10:44 AM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Krista Jacobsen
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com"><krista@jacobseniplaw.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to
download priority document from DAS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have the same question as Erin, and I
cannot find an answer. Am I being dumb?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">An application ("FPA") was filed in a
non-U.S. office, but one that participates in DAS.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A U.S. non-provisional
application ("USNP") was filed and claims priority to FPA.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The DAS code for FPA was not provided
by the foreign associates before USNP was filed, so the
DAS code does not appear in the field of the ADS.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The 4/16 deadline is approaching, and I
need to request that the USPTO retrieve a certified copy
of FPA from DAS. (Will also be submitting an interim copy
in case they dawdle.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It seems like it should be simple to do
this ("Hi, here's the DAS code for the application you
already know about, please retrieve it"), and yet I cannot
figure out how.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Years ago when I had to do this, I
submitted an SB/38 form, which had an Option B that
allowed the DAS code to be provided. But that form is
dated 2017 and seems to have been abrogated.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The current SB/38 form only "requests
that the USPTO retrieve a copy of the following foreign
priority application(s)
<u>that was not filed in a foreign intellectual property
office participating with the USPTO in a priority
document exchange agreement</u> ('Participating Office')
but was submitted in an application subsequently filed
with a Participating Office that permits the USPTO to
retrieve such copy." <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That is not my situation. I just need
to provide a DAS code so the USPTO can retrieve the
application from another Participating Office.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Do I submit a "corrected" ADS to
provide the DAS code in the foreign priority info section?
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is there a different form to do this
that I have missed? I looked through the list of forms
provided by the USPTO and did not see anything that seemed
applicable.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks in advance.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Krista<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Krista S. Jacobsen<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Attorney and Counselor at
Law<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jacobsen IP Law<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 9:52<span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span>AM
Erin Geraghty via Patentpractice <<a
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">That form seems to only
allow for obtaining from an EP/JP case in which
the priority application was filed, right? It
does not mention obtaining the document from WIPO.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i>Please
retrieve the foreign priority application
identified in Column C, a copy of which is
contained in the EP or JP application identified
in Columns A and B:</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">There does not appear to
be an actual form for requesting the PTO pull the
priority document via DAS? Am I missing
something?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">Apologies if this is a
stupid question, maybe I need more caffeine.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall Svihla via
Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 16, 2024 11:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] venting -
failure to download priority document from DAS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Have
you ever try just filing a PTO/SB/38 Request to
Retrieve Electronic Priority Application(s) (the
old form with options A and B) to see if they
would retrieve it?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Linda Zaveta via
Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 16, 2024 10:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] venting -
failure to download priority document from DAS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">It\u2019s even more
frustrating when they check the box on the OA or
NOA saying it was received and it hasn\u2019t been.
This happens a lot and when we check Patent
Center, it isn\u2019t there. Then we have to try and
get in touch with someone to request that they
retrieve it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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application that claims priority only from a
non-US application. Foreign priority app is in
DAS (I checked with WIPO). Provided the USPTO
with the foreign application no. and the DAS
retrieval code on an ADS at the time of filing.
Got the filing receipt, and it acknowledges the
foreign priority claim and that the DAS code was
provided, and says that the USPTO "will attempt
to electronically retrieve" the priority doc.
But of course, the p.d. isn't yet in the
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waits to retrieve the p.d. is not news, Carl and
others have written about it. But it still bugs
me: how hard would it be for the PTO to retrieve
the document NOW instead of waiting?<o:p></o:p></p>
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