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<p>What controls is what it said on the PTOL-326. It absolutely
does not matter whether the Examiner intended to say "2". If it
says "3" then you get three months and that is the answer.</p>
<p>No you should not have to file a petition. Nor should you have
to pay any money at all.</p>
<p>If need be you escalate to the SPE and then to the Director of
the Tech Center. Eventually somebody will get shamed into doing
the right thing. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/6/2024 11:20 AM, Krista Jacobsen
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<div>In case anyone wondered what happened here, I have a fun
(as in, not at all fun) update.</div>
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<div>I prepared a reply so that we could meet the 2-month
deadline, but I didn't receive client instructions until after
it passed. As a result, I filed the reply after the 2-month
deadline but before the 3-month deadline indicated in the
Office Action. </div>
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<div>The reply in Patent Center is now labeled as "Untimely
(Late)."<br>
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<div>I sent e-mail to the AAU asking for the reply recognized as
timely because the Office Action set a 3-month period for
reply, and the reply was filed before that deadline passed. So
far, I have received no response, and nothing has changed. <br>
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<div>In an attempt to avoid having to actually call the AAU and
sit on hold forever, today I called the examiner to see if she
could do what needs to be done. She said, "Oh, yeah, that was
a typo by me, it should've been 2 months. That's why the reply
is considered late." I said, "OK, but the reply was not late.
The Office Action says 3 months." She said, "Yeah, but it
should've been 2 months." I said, "Yeah, but it SAYS 3
months." She then suggested I file a petition/fee for a
1-month extension of time. I said, no, the Office Action says
3 months, typo or not, and I filed before 3 months, and
therefore the reply was timely and needs to be recognized as
timely. As in, the USPTO needs to fix this.<br>
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<div>She said she's going to try to figure out who needs to be
contacted to address it.</div>
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<div>So I am now in exactly the situation I had hoped to avoid,
trying to get the USPTO to acknowledge its own error so my
client is not penalized for my presumption that the USPTO
meant what it said.<br>
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<div>Krista</div>
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<div>Hi David,</div>
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<div>This is very helpful -- thank you. I was thinking that
the coding of the document would automatically set a
2-month deadline, but if the clerks actually do look at
the OA itself to set the PTO's timers, then I do not have
to worry.</div>
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<div>The examiner is wrong. Look at the statute,
specifically section 133. "Such action" controls over
usual practice or what the examiner wishes he/she
might have done.</div>
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<div>This isn't enforced by the examiner. Once an
action goes out, extensions are enforced by the intake
clerks. When the Action goes out, the examiner clicks
a box "2 months" vs "3 months" and that ends up on the
action cover sheet, and that's what the intake clerks
will enforce when you file a reply.</div>
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<div>It ain't broke. Don't fix it. Classic case of "to
ask permission is to seek denial."<br>
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style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">This happened to
us this week as well. I contacted the
Examiner and she said that the 3 month reply
date was an error and the deadline is in
fact 2 months.</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Krista Jacobsen via
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 13, 2024 4:37
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<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This
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<b>Subject:</b> [Patentpractice] Reply
period for lack-of-unity finding in US 371
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am I right to be
suspicious of a 3-month reply period for a
lack-of-unity finding in a U.S. national
phase application?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is my first
lack-of-unity finding in the U.S. national
phase, and I was pleasantly surprised that
the examiner applied the correct standard.
The office action purports to set a reply
deadline of 3 months, but I am wondering
if that is correct, given that ordinary
restriction requirements have a 2-month
reply period.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am concerned that the
coding of the office action ("Requirement
for restriction/election"), and not what
the office action actually says,
automatically starts a clock in the
USPTO's systems, and if I take the 3-month
deadline at face value and wait until
after the 2-month date passes to file a
reply, I could end up in a situation where
they want a petition and fee for a 1-month
extension of time. Fighting them about
that would be more complicated and costly
than just replying within 2 months.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Before I call the
examiner, I wanted to check with the brain
trust to see if perhaps this is a
completely normal situation, and I'm
worrying for nothing. (For example, is
there a rule that all replies in the
national phase get at least 3 months? I
couldn't find anything, but I did not do
an exhaustive search.) Thanks in advance.</p>
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