<div dir="ltr"><div>In case anyone wondered what happened here, I have a fun (as in, not at all fun) update.</div><div><br></div><div>I prepared a reply so that we could meet the 2-month deadline, but I didn't receive client instructions until after it passed. As a result, I filed the reply after the 2-month deadline but before the 3-month deadline indicated in the Office Action. </div><div><br></div><div>The reply in Patent Center is now labeled as "Untimely (Late)."<br><br></div><div>I sent e-mail to the AAU asking for the reply recognized as timely because the Office Action set a 3-month period for reply, and the reply was filed before that deadline passed. So far, I have received no response, and nothing has changed. <br></div><div><br></div><div>In an attempt to avoid having to actually call the AAU and sit on hold forever, today I called the examiner to see if she could do what needs to be done. She said, "Oh, yeah, that was a typo by me, it should've been 2 months. That's why the reply is considered late." I said, "OK, but the reply was not late. The Office Action says 3 months." She said, "Yeah, but it should've been 2 months." I said, "Yeah, but it SAYS 3 months." She then suggested I file a petition/fee for a 1-month extension of time. I said, no, the Office Action says 3 months, typo or not, and I filed before 3 months, and therefore the reply was timely and needs to be recognized as timely. As in, the USPTO needs to fix this.<br></div><div><br></div><div>She said she's going to try to figure out who needs to be contacted to address it.</div><div><br></div><div>So I am now in exactly the situation I had hoped to avoid, trying to get the USPTO to acknowledge its own error so my client is not penalized for my presumption that the USPTO meant what it said.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Krista</div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>------------------------------------------<br></div><div>Krista S. Jacobsen<br></div><div>Attorney and Counselor at Law</div><div>Jacobsen IP Law</div><div><a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a></div><div>T: 408.455.5539</div><div><a href="http://www.jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">www.jacobseniplaw.com</a></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 8:11\u202fPM Krista Jacobsen <<a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi David,</div><div><br></div><div>This is very helpful -- thank you. I was thinking that the coding of the document would automatically set a 2-month deadline, but if the clerks actually do look at the OA itself to set the PTO's timers, then I do not have to worry.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Krista</div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>------------------------------------------<br></div><div>Krista S. Jacobsen<br></div><div>Attorney and Counselor at Law</div><div>Jacobsen IP Law</div><div><a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a></div><div>T: 408.455.5539</div><div><a href="http://www.jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">www.jacobseniplaw.com</a></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 6:50\u202fAM David Boundy via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>The examiner is wrong. Look at the statute, specifically section 133. "Such action" controls over usual practice or what the examiner wishes he/she might have done.</div><div><br></div><div>This isn't enforced by the examiner. Once an action goes out, extensions are enforced by the intake clerks. When the Action goes out, the examiner clicks a box "2 months" vs "3 months" and that ends up on the action cover sheet, and that's what the intake clerks will enforce when you file a reply.</div><div><br></div><div>It ain't broke. Don't fix it. Classic case of "to ask permission is to seek denial."<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 7:24\u202fAM Angela Armstrong-Baker via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">This happened to us this week as well. I contacted the Examiner and she said that the 3 month reply date was an error and the deadline is in fact 2 months.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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