<div dir="ltr"><div>I wanted to send a quick update on this.</div><div><br></div><div>As recommended by Randall and Alan, on Tuesday I submitted a "corrected" ADS with the DAS access code. As Randall suggested, I also filed the old SB/38 form. As Carl suggested, I set up tracking in DAS (did not know you could do that for an application you did not file yourself, so that was an excellent learning experience) and enabled notifications for the priority application.</div><div><br></div><div>This morning I received (a) an updated filing receipt indicating that the access code had been provided and (b) a notification from DAS that the application had been accessed. When I go into DAS, I can see that the USPTO accessed it. And sure enough, the certified copy of the priority application is in the file wrapper.</div><div><br></div><div>So, in this one case, the USPTO DID actually promptly retrieve the certified copy (<48 hours from when I requested they do so), and (at least one of) filing the "corrected" ADS and old SB/38 did the trick. (Would only the "corrected" ADS have done it? I'm not sure.)<br></div><div><br></div><div>I still think a group letter is warranted for all of the reasons Carl set out, and I will work on one, but at least my case has a happy result that I thought I would share in case it helps those who find themselves in similar circumstances.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,<br></div><div>Krista</div><div><br></div><div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>------------------------------------------<br></div><div>Krista S. Jacobsen<br></div><div>Attorney and Counselor at Law</div><div>Jacobsen IP Law</div><div><a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a></div><div>T: 408.455.5539</div><div><a href="http://www.jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">www.jacobseniplaw.com</a></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 10:01\u202fAM Krista Jacobsen <<a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks for the responses. There are a number of frustrating aspects to this. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I will proceed with a "corrected" ADS, request for corrected filing receipt, and old SB/38 form. And, of course, an interim copy. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Maybe this situation calls for another group letter? I can volunteer to draft one and circulate for comments (though probably not immediately).</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Krista</div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>------------------------------------------<br></div><div>Krista S. Jacobsen<br></div><div>Attorney and Counselor at Law</div><div>Jacobsen IP Law</div><div><a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a></div><div>T: 408.455.5539</div><div><a href="http://www.jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">www.jacobseniplaw.com</a></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 8:42\u202fAM Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p>What he said. It is super important to set up tracking in the
DAS system for every would-be priority document.<br>
</p>
<div>On 8/6/2024 9:09 AM, Randall Svihla via
Patentpractice wrote:<br>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi,
Alan<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Sometime
the USPTO misreads the access code (B for 8 or 8 for B,
etc.) and submits the wrong access code,<span> </span>Sometimes the client
gives you the wrong access code.<span>
</span>By setting up tracking in the WIPO Digital Access
Service, you can see these errors.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Best
regards.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Randall
S. Svihla<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Patentpractice
<a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"><patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Alan Taboada via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, August 6, 2024 11:04 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> For
patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to
seek legal advice.
<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Alan
Taboada <a href="mailto:ataboada@mtiplaw.com" target="_blank"><ataboada@mtiplaw.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download
priority document from DAS<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0e2841"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0e2841"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)">In
the past, we have submitted a corrected ADS with the DAS
code provided.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0e2841"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0e2841"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)">However,
I would love to know if there is a better way to get this
done as, in our experience, the USPTO has been failing to
retrieve priority applications much more frequently and
with greater and greater hoops to be jumped through to try
to get the USPTO to electronically retrieve the certified
copy of the priority document. In some cases, we needed
to resort to obtaining a paper version of the certified
copy ourselves to provide to the USPTO because the USPTO
is incapable of obtaining it.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0e2841"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0e2841"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)">Having
seen Randall\u2019s email prior to hitting send, we will try
that to see if that gives us better results (thanks,
Randall)!<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0e2841"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Patentpractice
<a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"><patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Krista Jacobsen via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, August 6, 2024 10:44 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> For
patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
legal advice. <a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Krista
Jacobsen <a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank"><krista@jacobseniplaw.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download
priority document from DAS<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Hi all,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">I have the same question as
Erin, and I cannot find an answer. Am I being dumb?<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">An application ("FPA") was
filed in a non-U.S. office, but one that participates
in DAS.
<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">A U.S. non-provisional
application ("USNP") was filed and claims priority to
FPA.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">The DAS code for FPA was not
provided by the foreign associates before USNP was
filed, so the DAS code does not appear in the field of
the ADS.
<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">The 4/16 deadline is
approaching, and I need to request that the USPTO
retrieve a certified copy of FPA from DAS. (Will also
be submitting an interim copy in case they dawdle.)<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">It seems like it should be
simple to do this ("Hi, here's the DAS code for the
application you already know about, please retrieve
it"), and yet I cannot figure out how.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Years ago when I had to do
this, I submitted an SB/38 form, which had an Option B
that allowed the DAS code to be provided. But that
form is dated 2017 and seems to have been abrogated.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">The current SB/38 form only
"requests that the USPTO retrieve a copy of the
following foreign priority application(s)
<u>that was not filed in a foreign intellectual
property office participating with the USPTO in a
priority document exchange agreement</u>
('Participating Office') but was submitted in an
application subsequently filed with a Participating
Office that permits the USPTO to retrieve such copy."
<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">That is not my situation. I
just need to provide a DAS code so the USPTO can
retrieve the application from another Participating
Office.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Do I submit a "corrected" ADS
to provide the DAS code in the foreign priority info
section?
<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Is there a different form to
do this that I have missed? I looked through the list
of forms provided by the USPTO and did not see
anything that seemed applicable.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Thanks in advance.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Krista<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Krista S.
Jacobsen<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Attorney and
Counselor at Law<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Jacobsen IP Law<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"><a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 9:52</span></font><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span></font>AM
Erin Geraghty via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11pt">That form seems to only
allow for obtaining from an EP/JP case in which
the priority application was filed, right? It
does not mention obtaining the document from
WIPO.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-style:italic">Please
retrieve the foreign priority application
identified in Column C, a copy of which is
contained in the EP or JP application
identified in Columns A and B:</span></font></i><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11pt">There does not appear
to be an actual form for requesting the PTO pull
the priority document via DAS? Am I missing
something?
</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11pt">Apologies if this is a
stupid question, maybe I need more caffeine.
</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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you ever try just filing a PTO/SB/38 Request to
Retrieve Electronic Priority Application(s) (the
old form with options A and B) to see if they
would retrieve it?</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to
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frustrating when they check the box on the OA or
NOA saying it was received and it hasn\u2019t been.
This happens a lot and when we check Patent
Center, it isn\u2019t there. Then we have to try and
get in touch with someone to request that they
retrieve it.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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not properly downloaded it, the responsible
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[Patentpractice] venting - failure to download
priority document from DAS</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Filed an
application that claims priority only from a
non-US application. Foreign priority app is
in DAS (I checked with WIPO). Provided the
USPTO with the foreign application no. and
the DAS retrieval code on an ADS at the time
of filing. Got the filing receipt, and it
acknowledges the foreign priority claim and
that the DAS code was provided, and says
that the USPTO "will attempt to
electronically retrieve" the priority doc.
But of course, the p.d. isn't yet in the
electronic file.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">That the PTO waits
to retrieve the p.d. is not news, Carl and
others have written about it. But it still
bugs me: how hard would it be for the PTO to
retrieve the document NOW instead of
waiting?<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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