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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Yes, Randall, it is relevant. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>And, yes, Carl and others who\u2019ve responded, it is a national security review that is the fly in the ointment.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I know that because I reached out to the PCT Help Desk and they \u2018escalated\u2019 the matter. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Apparently triggered by that, I received a Form PCT/RO/132 communication indicating that <i>an IA number has been assigned</i> but the <i>Record Copy has not been transmitted</i> to the IB.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Well, I already knew that. But thanks for the acknowledgement. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>And, the IB so far has not received a copy of the PCT/RO/132. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>What the communication did NOT acknowledge is that no International Filing Date has been accorded, other than leaving the space for it blank (as it is in PC). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>That appears significant since some of the deadlines in the PCT Rules (WIPO) are triggered by that date.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Art. 11(1) of the PCT says that <b>the RO <i>shall</i> accord the IFD if the Applicant has met the requirements (of Art. 11(1)</b>). Doesn\u2019t mention an IA <i>number</i>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I guess the PCT/RO/132 doesn\u2019t serve the purpose of the notification prescribed by Rule 20.2(c) that, upon a Positive Determination under Art. 11(1), the RO promptly shall notify the Applicant of the <b><i>IA number <u>and IFD</u></i></b>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Meaning, I guess, that in this case there has yet to be any \u2018positive determination under Art. 11(1)\u2019, even though that article does not mention any national security review.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Bottom line, I guess that during a security review, USPTO feels it does not have to comply with Art. 11(1) and accept the application as an IA.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Maybe that\u2019s because, if the security clearance doesn\u2019t go our way, it never will.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Has anyone ever had any luck with a petition or request to have an IFD accorded? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Or better yet, jumpstarting the security clearance process by filing something?<o:p></o:p></span></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo7'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>E.g., submitting a copy of the IA as filed for certification<o:p></o:p></span></li><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo7'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>And how would one do that if one wanted to?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo7'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Is that done electronically, or hard copy only?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul></ul><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>17 month deadline is Oct. 8<sup>th</sup>, so not yet antsy, but thinking about it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Guy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:navy'>Guy V. 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Bitte benachrichtigen Sie uns sofort des Fehlers in dem Sie diese e-mail zurück senden und bitte löschen Sie diese Nachricht von ihrem System. </span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Vielen Dank im Voraus für Ihre Mitarbeit.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall Svihla via Patentpractice<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 6, 2024 6:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Randall Svihla <rsvihla@nsiplaw.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] O/US being slow (was RE: group letter)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Is this relevant?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>PCT Receiving Office Guidelines<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><a name="chap_III"></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Chapter III: National Security Clearance<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><a name="_32"></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>32. The receiving Office, where required by the national law, reviews the international application for national security matters (<a href="https://www.wipo.int/pct/en/texts/rules/r22.html#_22_1_a">Rule 22.1(a)</a>). Subject to the prescriptions of the national law, international processing may continue. National security clearance should, subject to <a href="https://www.wipo.int/pct/en/texts/ro/ro32_34.html#_33">paragraph 33</a>, be given not later than at the time when the transmittal of the record copy is due under <a href="https://www.wipo.int/pct/en/texts/rules/r22.html#_22_1_a">Rule 22.1(a)</a>, that is, early enough for the record copy to reach the International Bureau before the expiration of the 13th month from the priority date.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><a name="_33"></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>33. If clearance is refused or has, by the end of the 13th month from the priority date, not been obtained and is not expected to be obtained, the receiving Office notifies (Form <a href="https://www.wipo.int/export/sites/www/pct/en/docs/forms/ro/editable/ed-ro147.pdf">PCT/RO/147</a>) the applicant and the International Bureau that the record copy and the search copy will not be transmitted and that the international application will not be treated as such. If national security clearance is expected to be obtained soon, the receiving Office may postpone its decision to no longer treat the international application as such but must make the said decision and send the invitation before the expiration of 17 months from the priority date if no clearance has been received by that time (<a href="https://www.wipo.int/pct/en/texts/ai/s330.html">Section 330</a> and <a href="https://www.wipo.int/pct/en/texts/ro/ro285_287.html#_285">paragraphs 285 to 287</a>).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><a name="_34"></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>34. For refund of fees where any prescriptions concerning national security prevent transmittal of the record copy and search copy, see <a href="https://www.wipo.int/pct/en/texts/rules/r15.html#_15_4_iii">Rules 15.4(iii)</a> and <a href="https://www.wipo.int/pct/en/texts/rules/r16.html#_16_2_iii">16.2(iii)</a> and <a href="https://www.wipo.int/pct/en/texts/ro/ro268_271.html#_268">paragraphs 268 to 271</a>. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 6, 2024 6:36 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.' <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Carl Oppedahl <<a href="mailto:carl@oppedahl.com">carl@oppedahl.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [Patentpractice] O/US being slow (was RE: group letter)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>A reminder of the importance of using RO/IB whenever you can.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Even though the PCT Help Desk did not mention a security review, I am confident that is the actual explanation for the delay.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The way you will know this for sure is when you receive the letter telling you when they granted the FFL. I predict it will turn out that the FFL got granted only a day or two before the record copy got sent to the IB.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 8/6/2024 12:46 PM, <a href="mailto:guyvmann@gvmlaw.net">guyvmann@gvmlaw.net</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Sort of related question: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Why would it take the USPTO as RO almost <b><i>three months (and counting) to transmit the IA to the IB</i></b>?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Details: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>IA filed May 7, 2024; IA number assigned by RO and appears in PC</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Fees show paid. Same $ amount shows in ePCT fee calc. sheet, doubtless derived from the Request</span><o:p></o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>i.e., they\u2019ve been holding about $ 3800 of client\u2019s money for nearly 3 months now</span><o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Priority claim to US provisional filed May 8, 2023 is recognized in the PC record.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>PC\u2019s status shows: \u201c</span><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B;background:white'>Application Undergoing Preexam Processing 05/07/2024\u201d</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI",sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B;background:white'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Case shows up in ePCT, with relevant info from Request (document sizes, names, etc.) which was entered into ePCT to generate the zip file, of course.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>But ePCT says:</span><o:p></o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo6'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>No IA number assigned (to be assigned by RO)</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo6'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Priority claim too late (but don\u2019t worry about it if you filed the IA timely)</span><o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>In other words, the IB hasn\u2019t heard from the RO since I downloaded the zip file.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>And, of course, the expected ISA search and report (EPO) hasn\u2019t even begun yet because the IB doesn\u2019t have what it needs.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Are others experiencing this kind of delay?</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I\u2019m not sure whose cage to rattle about this.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Guy</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:navy'>Guy V. 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