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<p>Speaking of hallucinating ... I assume that one option is to ask
ChatGPT how to solve your fact pattern.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/13/2024 8:11 AM, Richard
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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Carl,<br>
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THANK YOU for pointing out that link! I am glad to see that
I am not hallucinating the potential issue.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/13/2024 10:05 AM, Carl Oppedahl
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<p>WIPO has a collection <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.wipo.int/pct/en/texts/nat_sec.html"
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of national security requirements for about 24 countries. It
is a straightforward matter to run one's finger down through
the list of 24 requirements, and to work out country-pairs
where it is literally impossible to figure out how to
proceed. I'd guess you have identified one of the
"impossible" country-pairs.</p>
<p>You know how there are cruise ships whose entire business
model is, the ship comes into port, picks up passengers, and
then sails some number of miles out to sea, past a territorial
limit or something. So that everybody can gamble and it does
not violate the laws of any country because it is in
international waters.</p>
<p>The only solution I can see for some of the country pairs is
to roll back the clock and put your two inventors on such a
ship. And time it all so that the inventing happens only in
international waters.</p>
<p>What you will find, when you run your finger down the list of
countries, is that the precise trigger (the thing that makes
it so that somebody goes to prison or whatever) is very
different from one country to the next. With some countries,
it is "where was the invention made?" With some countries it
is "is any inventor a citizen of our country?" So if the
country you are worried about triggers on citizenship of
inventor, it does not help to put the inventors on Carl's
cruise ship.</p>
<p>Also look at consequences of failure, per country. If the
only consequence of failure is "you lose your patent rights in
that country" then that might turn out to be a business
decision of "who cares?" If on the other hand the consequence
is prison time, well, that might be a greater concern.</p>
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All,<br>
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I am wracking my brain over this one and am looking for the
collective wisdom of the brilliant members of the ListServ.<br>
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Assume that an invention is jointly collaboratively developed
and invented by two persons, one located in and a resident of,
the U.S., and the other located in and a resident of India. <br>
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Both countries require a foreign filing license before the
technology can be "exported." If the U.S. is to be the place
of first filing, then one needs to get an Indian FFL before
that filing. However, in order to do so, the Indian Patent
Office needs the application to review it. But sending it to
them theoretically violates the need for a U.S. FFL.
Likewise, if India is to be the place of first filing, then
you need a U.S. FFL before you can file there, but that would
violate the Indian requirement.<br>
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Assume that first filing a PCT application is NOT an option
(irrespective of whether or not that solves the problem), how
have folks in such a situation reconciled the issue?<br>
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Thanks in advance!<br>
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