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legal advice from the PTO (less lethal the cyanide, but
potentially just as dangerous).<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/13/2024 10:45 AM, Carl Oppedahl
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<p>Speaking of hallucinating ... I assume that one option is to
ask ChatGPT how to solve your fact pattern.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/13/2024 8:11 AM, Richard
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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Carl,<br>
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THANK YOU for pointing out that link! I am glad to see
that I am not hallucinating the potential issue.<br>
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class="c1"><strong>Richard Straussman</strong></span><span
class="c3"><span class="c2"><strong><br>
</strong></span> </span><strong><span class="c4">Senior
Counsel</span><span class="c5"><strong><br>
</strong></span> <span class="c6">Registered Patent
Attorney</span><span class="c5"><br>
</span></strong> <span class="c6">Member NY, NJ & CT
Bars</span><span class="c5"><br>
</span> <span class="c7"><strong>. . . . . . . . . . . . . .</strong></span>
<span class="c8"></span> <span class="c5"><br>
</span> <span class="c9"><strong>Weitzman Law Offices, LLC</strong></span><span
class="c16"><span class="c5"><br>
</span> <span class="c9"><strong>Intellectual Property Law</strong></span><span
class="c9"><br>
</span> <span class="c4">425 Eagle Rock Avenue, Suite 401
(PLEASE NOTE THE SUITE CHANGE)</span><span class="c5"><br>
</span> <span class="c4">Roseland, NJ 07068</span><span
class="c11"><br>
</span> <span class="c12"><strong>direct line</strong></span>
<span class="c6">973.403.9943<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/13/2024 10:05 AM, Carl
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<p>WIPO has a collection <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.wipo.int/pct/en/texts/nat_sec.html"
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of national security requirements for about 24 countries.
It is a straightforward matter to run one's finger down
through the list of 24 requirements, and to work out
country-pairs where it is literally impossible to figure out
how to proceed. I'd guess you have identified one of the
"impossible" country-pairs.</p>
<p>You know how there are cruise ships whose entire business
model is, the ship comes into port, picks up passengers, and
then sails some number of miles out to sea, past a
territorial limit or something. So that everybody can
gamble and it does not violate the laws of any country
because it is in international waters.</p>
<p>The only solution I can see for some of the country pairs
is to roll back the clock and put your two inventors on such
a ship. And time it all so that the inventing happens only
in international waters.</p>
<p>What you will find, when you run your finger down the list
of countries, is that the precise trigger (the thing that
makes it so that somebody goes to prison or whatever) is
very different from one country to the next. With some
countries, it is "where was the invention made?" With some
countries it is "is any inventor a citizen of our country?"
So if the country you are worried about triggers on
citizenship of inventor, it does not help to put the
inventors on Carl's cruise ship.</p>
<p>Also look at consequences of failure, per country. If the
only consequence of failure is "you lose your patent rights
in that country" then that might turn out to be a business
decision of "who cares?" If on the other hand the
consequence is prison time, well, that might be a greater
concern.</p>
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All,<br>
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I am wracking my brain over this one and am looking for the
collective wisdom of the brilliant members of the ListServ.<br>
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Assume that an invention is jointly collaboratively
developed and invented by two persons, one located in and a
resident of, the U.S., and the other located in and a
resident of India. <br>
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Both countries require a foreign filing license before the
technology can be "exported." If the U.S. is to be the
place of first filing, then one needs to get an Indian FFL
before that filing. However, in order to do so, the Indian
Patent Office needs the application to review it. But
sending it to them theoretically violates the need for a
U.S. FFL. Likewise, if India is to be the place of first
filing, then you need a U.S. FFL before you can file there,
but that would violate the Indian requirement.<br>
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Assume that first filing a PCT application is NOT an option
(irrespective of whether or not that solves the problem),
how have folks in such a situation reconciled the issue?<br>
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Thanks in advance!<br>
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class="c3"><span class="c2"><strong><br>
</strong></span> </span><strong><span class="c4">Senior
Counsel</span><span class="c5"><strong><br>
</strong></span> <span class="c6">Registered Patent
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CT Bars</span><span class="c5"><br>
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. .</strong></span> <span class="c8"></span> <span
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LLC</strong></span><span class="c16"><span class="c5"><br>
</span> <span class="c9"><strong>Intellectual Property
Law</strong></span><span class="c9"><br>
</span> <span class="c4">425 Eagle Rock Avenue, Suite
401 (PLEASE NOTE THE SUITE CHANGE)</span><span
class="c5"><br>
</span> <span class="c4">Roseland, NJ 07068</span><span
class="c11"><br>
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