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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In the US, FFL issues come up based on disclosure; who is an inventor depends on what is claimed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The mess get worse when a foreign national invents something in the US. If the foreign national’s country of citizenship requires first disclosure in that country while the
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] Foreign Filing License Incongruity Question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Do the FFL requirements kick in because of what is disclosed or what is claimed? (I would guess it is based on disclosure, not claims. But I have no actual knowledge.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Are they both really inventors? Could one of them be left of depending on what is claimed?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, August 13, 2024 at 9:44 AM<br>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Patentpractice] Foreign Filing License Incongruity Question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Has the application already been written? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If so, were drafts sent back-and-forth to the inventors?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If so, hasn’t one or both of the countries’ export laws been violated?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What about the inventors’ collaboration before the application was drafted – didn’t that involve the inventors sending stuff to each other (from India to the US and vice versa)?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> on behalf of Patentpractice Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
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<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, August 13, 2024 at 9:40 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Patentpractice Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Richard Straussman <<a href="mailto:rstraussman@weitzmanip.com">rstraussman@weitzmanip.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Patentpractice] Foreign Filing License Incongruity Question</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">All,<br>
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I am wracking my brain over this one and am looking for the collective wisdom of the brilliant members of the ListServ.<br>
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Assume that an invention is jointly collaboratively developed and invented by two persons, one located in and a resident of, the U.S., and the other located in and a resident of India.
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Both countries require a foreign filing license before the technology can be "exported." If the U.S. is to be the place of first filing, then one needs to get an Indian FFL before that filing. However, in order to do so, the Indian Patent Office needs the
application to review it. But sending it to them theoretically violates the need for a U.S. FFL. Likewise, if India is to be the place of first filing, then you need a U.S. FFL before you can file there, but that would violate the Indian requirement.<br>
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Assume that first filing a PCT application is NOT an option (irrespective of whether or not that solves the problem), how have folks in such a situation reconciled the issue?<br>
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Thanks in advance!<o:p></o:p></p>
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