<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi,<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>This is really interesting. Will we ever find out what OMB might have discussed with the PTO?</div><div>Also, I probably entirely missed this because it came out at a very busy time for me,</div><div>but did the 2021 OIG report on the USPTO ever result in any changes,</div><div>and does the OIG ever follow up on the recommendations after awhile?</div><div>This report:</div><div><a href="https://www.oig.doc.gov/Pages/USPTO-Has-Opportunities-to-Improve-its-Patent-Examination-Process-and-to-Advance-Patent-Decision-Making.aspx">https://www.oig.doc.gov/Pages/USPTO-Has-Opportunities-to-Improve-its-Patent-Examination-Process-and-to-Advance-Patent-Decision-Making.aspx</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>It just seems like the report identified some issues that we often discuss</div><div>in this listserv, so it's disappointing that apparently nothing changed.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Leigh</div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 21, 2024 at 12:22\u202fPM David Boundy via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>The PTO just did the fee-setting Notice of Proposed Rulemaking in May. It typically takes a year to mature into a final rule, and the PTO must give 30 or 60 days' notice (depending on how many burrs the public comment letters put under PTO's blanket and whether they have to get worked out at OMB). The usual course has been a Notice of Final Rule last week of July or first week of August (in this case, that'd be July 2025) to take effect Oct 1 (in this case Oct 1, 2025). That's not a statutory requirement, only the pattern over the last three or four fee-setting proceedings.</div><br><div>Until that Final Rule notice publishes, no one can answer the question. <a href="https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/search?conditions%5Bterm%5D=%22patent+and+trademark+office%22&order=newest#" target="_blank">https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/search?conditions%5Bterm%5D=%22patent+and+trademark+office%22&order=newest#</a></div><div><br></div><div>Patent Office currently estimates Final Rule publish in November and go effective March 2025. <a href="https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/08/16/2024-16446/spring-2024-semiannual-agenda-of-regulations" target="_blank">https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/08/16/2024-16446/spring-2024-semiannual-agenda-of-regulations</a></div><div><br></div><div>I have been watching OMB's web site ( <a href="https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eoReviewSearch" target="_blank">https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eoReviewSearch</a> ) -- I haven't seen the PTO submit for OMB review. Which tells me that the comment letters raised real issues that the PTO is grappling with.</div><div><br></div><div>I also note that the triennial reviews of Paperwork Reduction Act for new patent applications and for "Patent Processing" (everything that happens between a new application and a notice of allowance, except appeal) has been pending at OMB since March and May respectively. Typically these get cleared in a couple weeks. This is another pretty clear indication that the PTO is having real "heart to heart" conversations with OMB, and may be forced to stand down on some of the issues in the comment letters. See</div><div> <a href="https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/PRAViewICR?ref_nbr=202312-0651-001" target="_blank">https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/PRAViewICR?ref_nbr=202312-0651-001</a></div><div> <a href="https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/PRAViewDocument?ref_nbr=202312-0651-001" target="_blank">https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/PRAViewDocument?ref_nbr=202312-0651-001</a></div><div> <a href="https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/PRAViewICR?ref_nbr=202304-0651-001" target="_blank">https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/PRAViewICR?ref_nbr=202304-0651-001</a></div><div> <a href="https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/PRAViewDocument?ref_nbr=202304-0651-001" target="_blank">https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/PRAViewDocument?ref_nbr=202304-0651-001</a></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Aug 21, 2024 at 12:59\u202fPM William Ahmed via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div></div>
<div dir="ltr">Dear List,</div><div dir="ltr">Please see below -- it seems like Rebecca also is asking the same question <b><i>about the proposed [upcoming?] fee-increase</i></b></div><div dir="ltr"><b><i><br></i></b></div><div dir="ltr">On the one hand, various press releases or articles online referred to a Jan 2025 fee-increase.</div><div dir="ltr">On the other hand, if memory serves me, FY 2025 begins on Oct 1, 2024.</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Does anyone know? I did not receive an answer, and unfortunately remain in the dark.</div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">MANY Thanks</div><div dir="ltr">Bill</div><div><br></div>
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<p><span style="font-size:11pt">Bill, we are wondering this as well (whether the first day of the increased fees is October 1, 2024, or January 1, 2025).</span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Patentpractice] potential fee increase for fiscal year 2025</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">See here --> <a shape="rect" href="https://www.uspto.gov/subscription-center/2024/proposed-patent-fee-changes-fiscal-year-2025" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.uspto.gov/subscription-center/2024/proposed-patent-fee-changes-fiscal-year-2025</a> </span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">entitled Proposed patent fee changes for fiscal year 2025</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Some of these proposed fee increases were quite contentious -- e.g. raising fees on applications with certain priority claims, significant increase on terminal disclaimers
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">QUESTION A ---> have these new rules/fees been implemented? Or is this still something that is 'under consideration'?</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">QUESTION B ---> what would be the FIRST day of these increased fees: (i) January 1 2025 OR (ii) October 1, 2024.</span></p>
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