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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Are the three claims drawn to independent (and / or maybe) distinct inventions?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>No? Traverse and petition and change nothing<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Yes (arguably)? Documented RR (not simple election of species), pick an invention (claim 1) and withdraw 2&3, maybe you can get one rejoined. The holy grail of prosecution, pay one fee and get three inventions searched and examined. Did the Ex <u>say</u> 2&3 withdrawn?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Telephonic RR? Do you know / deal with the Ex a lot? The nuances of administrative law. Reply or insist on a paper as see fit. Glad I retired </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>😊</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Nipper via Patentpractice<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 6, 2024 6:29 PM<br><b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com><br><b>Cc:</b> Steve Nipper <steve@colbynipper.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] status identifier "withdrawn"?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Garamond",serif'>> Examiner mails an Office Action, memorializing the election and rejecting claim 2.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Garamond",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Garamond",serif'>I always thought that the (Withdrawn) status identifier only applies after the Examiner indicates that claims are withdrawn. See <a href="https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-37/chapter-I/subchapter-A/part-1/subpart-B/subject-group-ECFR646ed64e32f4bc1/section-1.142">37 C.F.R. 1.142</a> \u201cRequirement for restriction,\u201d which includes (emphasis added):<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><span style='font-family:"Garamond",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-family:"Garamond",serif'>(b) Claims to the invention or inventions not elected, if not canceled, are nevertheless <b>withdrawn from further consideration by the examiner</b> by the election, subject however to reinstatement in the event the requirement for restriction is withdrawn or overruled.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Garamond",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Garamond",serif'>At least that\u2019s what I have always told associates when reviewing draft Responses to Restriction Requirements\u2026<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Garamond",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Garamond",serif'>Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Garamond",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Garamond",serif;color:#1F3864'>Stephen M. 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Longo via Patentpractice<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 6, 2024 4:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> David M. Longo <<a href="mailto:DLongo@oblon.com">DLongo@oblon.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] status identifier "withdrawn"?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:solid black 1.0pt;padding:2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt 2.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:15.0pt;background:#FFBA00'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-variant:small-caps;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif;font-variant:small-caps;color:black'>\u2756</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-variant:small-caps;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif;font-variant:small-caps;color:black'>\u2756</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-variant:small-caps;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif;font-variant:small-caps;color:black'>\u2756</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-variant:small-caps;color:black'> </span><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-variant:small-caps;color:brown'>CAUTION: </span></strong><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-variant:small-caps;color:black'>External Sender </span></strong><strong><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif;font-variant:small-caps;color:black'>\u2756</span></strong><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-variant:small-caps;color:black'> </span></strong><strong><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif;font-variant:small-caps;color:black'>\u2756</span></strong><strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-variant:small-caps;color:black'> </span></strong><strong><span style='font-family:"Segoe UI Symbol",sans-serif;font-variant:small-caps;color:black'>\u2756</span></strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-variant:small-caps;color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Next LT Pro",sans-serif;color:black;layout-grid-mode:line'>Why not just use \u201c(Withdrawn \u2013 Original)\u201d or \u201c(Withdrawn \u2013 Previously Presented)\u201d, as applicable, for the status identifier? (Acceptable alternative status identifiers in MPEP 714(II)(C)(E) to those required by Rule 1.121(c).)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Next LT Pro",sans-serif;color:black;layout-grid-mode:line'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Next LT Pro",sans-serif;color:black;layout-grid-mode:line'>In the situation outlined below, is it correct to understand that \u201cmemoralizing the election\u201d means that the Examiner made the restriction requirement final? If so, it would seem that once that first action on the merits (FAOM) makes the restriction requirement final, then the nonelected claims have the status \u2018withdrawn\u2019 whether we like it or not. We would have to request reconsideration of the requirement and then petition under Rule 1.144 if necessary to challenge. But in the period of time between FAOM and Petition, isn\u2019t the status \u2018withdrawn\u2019 (unless you cancelled the nonelected claims in your response)? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Next LT Pro",sans-serif;color:black;layout-grid-mode:line'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Next LT Pro",sans-serif;color:black;layout-grid-mode:line'>If you had instead responded to a <i>written</i> restriction requirement with an election and a preliminary amendment, I could see keeping the status identifier for the nonelected claim(s) as \u2018original\u2019, because as of the filing of the preliminary amendment, the requirement is not yet \u201cmade final\u201d and there is a chance that the Examiner might do something different in the FAOM than was indicated in the written restriction requirement. (Sometimes they have a mind of their own\u2026.)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Next LT Pro",sans-serif;color:black;layout-grid-mode:line'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Next LT Pro",sans-serif;color:black'>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Next LT Pro",sans-serif;color:black'>_Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Next LT Pro",sans-serif;color:black'> </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Next LT Pro",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Next LT Pro",sans-serif;color:#0B7CB5'>David M. Longo, Ph.D.</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Next LT Pro",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Next LT Pro",sans-serif;color:#0B7CB5'>Partner, Attorney at Law</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Next LT Pro",sans-serif;color:#365F91'><br></span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Next LT Pro",sans-serif;color:black'>Oblon, McClelland, Maier & Neustadt, LLP</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Next LT Pro",sans-serif;color:black'> | 1940 Duke Street, Alexandria, Virginia 22314 | Direct: 703-412-1791 | Main: 703-413-3000 | </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Next LT Pro",sans-serif;color:#0B7CB5'><a href="mailto:dlongo@oblon.com">dlongo@oblon.com</a></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Next LT Pro",sans-serif;color:black'> | </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Next LT Pro",sans-serif;color:#0B7CB5'><a href="http://www.oblon.com/">www.oblon.com</a> |</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Next LT Pro",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Avenir Next LT Pro",sans-serif;color:black;layout-grid-mode:line'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Boundy via Patentpractice<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 6, 2024 6:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> David Boundy <<a href="mailto:DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com">DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] status identifier "withdrawn"?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If it's a statutory restriction (as opposed to election of species), and you elected with no traverse, yes, I think you need to use "withdrawn" (and I don't think you're giving up anything by doing so).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Just FYI. The 1980s edition of the Kayton Treatise on which I cut my teeth said "never take a telephone restriction" I never have. At the very least, you want the traverse so you can rejoin later if the facts warrant.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 5:02<span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>\u202f</span>PM Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p>When exactly am I required to use the status identifier "withdrawn"?<o:p></o:p></p><p>I was taught, years ago, that it was up to me when if ever I would use that status identifier. <o:p></o:p></p><p>Suppose there was a restriction between three independent claims 1, 2, and 3 and suppose I elect claim 2. <o:p></o:p></p><p>What I was taught was, I was not required to use a status identifier of "withdrawn" for claim 1 until I was good and ready.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Eventually maybe the time would come that claim 2 gets allowed, and maybe the client would be prepared to suck it up and get a patent with only claim 2. If so, then I would cancel claim 1 and next thing you know I would get a notice of allowance.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Just now I have the following sequence of events (claim numbers changed to protect the innocent).<o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>Independent claims 1, 2, 3 filed.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>Examiner calls on the phone, restricts saying there are three inventions.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>On the phone I elect claim 2.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>Examiner mails an Office Action, memorializing the election and rejecting claim 2.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>I file a response to the Office Action. Claims 1 and 3 have status identifier "original". Claim 2 has status identifier "presently amended".<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3'>Examiner mails a notice of non-compliant amendment, saying that I should have used status identifier "withdrawn" for claims 1 and 3.<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p>Question. Is this the Examiner busting my chops with a made-up rule? 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