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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>I was also trained to never take a \u201ctelephone restriction\u201d. Not sure why, but I think it has to do with having the restriction and then the reply in the written record.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Bill <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Boundy via Patentpractice<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 6, 2024 6:03 PM<br><b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com><br><b>Cc:</b> David Boundy <DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] status identifier "withdrawn"?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If it's a statutory restriction (as opposed to election of species), and you elected with no traverse, yes, I think you need to use "withdrawn" (and I don't think you're giving up anything by doing so).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Just FYI. The 1980s edition of the Kayton Treatise on which I cut my teeth said "never take a telephone restriction" I never have. At the very least, you want the traverse so you can rejoin later if the facts warrant.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Dec 6, 2024 at 5:02\u202fPM Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p>When exactly am I required to use the status identifier "withdrawn"?<o:p></o:p></p><p>I was taught, years ago, that it was up to me when if ever I would use that status identifier. <o:p></o:p></p><p>Suppose there was a restriction between three independent claims 1, 2, and 3 and suppose I elect claim 2. <o:p></o:p></p><p>What I was taught was, I was not required to use a status identifier of "withdrawn" for claim 1 until I was good and ready.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Eventually maybe the time would come that claim 2 gets allowed, and maybe the client would be prepared to suck it up and get a patent with only claim 2. If so, then I would cancel claim 1 and next thing you know I would get a notice of allowance.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Just now I have the following sequence of events (claim numbers changed to protect the innocent).<o:p></o:p></p><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Independent claims 1, 2, 3 filed.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Examiner calls on the phone, restricts saying there are three inventions.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>On the phone I elect claim 2.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Examiner mails an Office Action, memorializing the election and rejecting claim 2.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>I file a response to the Office Action. Claims 1 and 3 have status identifier "original". Claim 2 has status identifier "presently amended".<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Examiner mails a notice of non-compliant amendment, saying that I should have used status identifier "withdrawn" for claims 1 and 3.<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p>Question. Is this the Examiner busting my chops with a made-up rule? Or is it really true that my hands are tied and I had no choice but to give a status of "withdrawn" for claims 1 and 3?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Patentpractice mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">Patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a><br><a href="http://oppedahl-lists.com/mailman/listinfo/patentpractice_oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">http://oppedahl-lists.com/mailman/listinfo/patentpractice_oppedahl-lists.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><span class=gmailsignatureprefix>-- </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:#667FA0'><a href="https://www.iam-media.com/strategy300/individuals/david-boundy" target="_blank"><span style='color:#667FA0;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=73 height=92 style='width:.7604in;height:.9583in' id="_x0000_i1026" src="https://ci3.googleusercontent.com/mail-sig/AIorK4wRMgBgcdZCqTw68Gg6ihENvW6_y8dGBqYvnJwiaIyu6LO5a7IJ-cljKsueIE5uxXbT6s9MN5hE2lGU"></span><span style='color:#667FA0;text-decoration:none'> </span><span style='color:#667FA0;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=96 height=96 style='width:1.0in;height:1.0in' id="_x0000_i1025" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/keynectup/PROFILE/9b92f0cd-ecec-44c8-8932-60e8dc63709f/thumbnail.jpg?1455027242552" alt="Cambridge Technology Law LLC"></span><span style='color:#667FA0;text-decoration:none'><br></span></a></span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:#667FA0'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="https://www.iam-media.com/strategy300/individuals/david-boundy" target="_blank"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>Listed as one of the world's 300 leading intellectual property strategists</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="http://ssrn.com/author=2936470" target="_blank">Articles at http://ssrn.com/author=2936470</a><a href="https://www.keynect.us/requestCardAccess/USA500DBOUN?" target="_blank"><span style='color:windowtext'><br></span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><a href="https://www.keynect.us/requestCardAccess/USA500DBOUN?" target="_blank"><span style='color:windowtext'>Click here to add me to your contacts.</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0in'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:blue'><a href="https://www.iam-media.com/strategy300/individuals/david-boundy" target="_blank">David Boundy</a></span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0in'><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:#666666'><a href="mailto:dboundy@cambridgetechlaw.com" target="_blank">DBoundy@cambridgetechlaw.com</a> / <a href="tel:%2B1%206464729737" target="_blank">+1 646.472.9737</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:7.5pt;margin-left:0in'><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:#666666'>Cambridge Technology Law LLC</span></b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;color:#666666'><br>686 Massachusetts Avenue #201, Cambridge MA 02139<br><a href="http://www.CambridgeTechLaw.com" target="_blank">http://www.CambridgeTechLaw.com</a><br><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/DavidBoundy" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/DavidBoundy</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>mailing address<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>PO Box 590638<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Newton MA 02459<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><br>This communication is a confidential attorney-client communication intended only for the person named above or an authorized representative. 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