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<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">To me, that is inherent in
their system and is not part of the conception - the inventor has
established that it is computer implemented and conception is
complete, so if the patent attorney adds stock
paragraphs/drawing(s) generally describing and showing the basics
of a computer (e.g., processor9s), memory, program storage, I/O,
etc.), that is not invention or an inventive contribution. <br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a> on
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<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, 9 December 2024 at 3:02</span><span
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<b>To: </b><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Patentpractice] Patent lawyer
as inventor on client's application?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica">I agree with Suzannah
and follow a similar approach. However, I could dream
up some fringe cases where the patent attorney has
particular expertise similar to that of the inventors
and the patent attorney notices, for example, an
enablement problem/issue that involves a detailed
discussion back and forth until a solution is arrived
at, and thereby results in the possibility of the
patent attorney being a co-inventor. In such a rare
case, I saw it happen once in 30+ years (not involving
me but, a colleague), and Carl's approach was used to
address it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 12/9/2024 3:40 PM, Suzannah K.
Sundby via Patentpractice wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I\u2019d also question
whether the patent attorney is truly a \u201cjoint\u201d
inventor, i.e., worked in \u2018collaboration\u2019, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Imho, patent
attorneys should never
<i>write themselves in</i> as an inventor. After
all, it is our job to write what the inventors
envision is their invention, not what we think the
inventors want to invent.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">If a patent
attorney has a question as to whether a particular
embodiment/application/combination is contemplated
by the inventors and should therefore be included
as a claim, the patent attorney should ask as the
inventors a <i>leading</i> question, e.g., Do you
envision that this could be \u2026 ?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Sometimes they say
something that\u2019s a great idea or yes, that\u2019s how
it could be implemented\u2026 I then correct them and
say it is what I understood from their own
disclosure and/or I didn\u2019t know whether it would
work or not which is why I asked, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] Patent
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">My
view is that you should not name yourself
inventor without a Really Good Reason. Here
are the reasons that you should not name
yourself as inventor:</span>
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If you are merely the attorney, not the
inventor, you are unlikely to be called for
deposition\u2014attorneys generally don\u2019t get
deposed unless there\u2019s some smell of
inequitable conduct in the air first.<a
name="_ftnref1" moz-do-not-send="true"></a><a
href="#_ftn1" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
class="gmail-msofootnotereference"><sup>[1]</sup></span></a>
However, if you are a named inventor, you
<i>will</i> be deposed. And once you\u2019re in
the hot seat in your role as inventor, the
scope of questions that you can be asked has
little bound, including \u201cfishing expedition\u201d
questions for inequitable conduct that
couldn\u2019t be asked if you weren\u2019t already
there.<a name="_ftnref2"
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When a statement of fact made solely as
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without intent, it\u2019s not inequitable
conduct.</span><a name="_ftnref3"
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However, if you are the inventor, the same
argument could be an <i>inventor\u2019s
statement</i>, and that statement might be
evaluated for inequitable conduct on a far
different standard.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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As a person that is likely to become a
witness, you are disqualified from
representing the client in any litigation.
The disqualification may extend to your
firm.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">While
the Federal Circuit has not explicitly
blessed the practice, it has at least told
district courts not to invalidate such
patents under old § 102(f) (\u201cA person shall
be entitled to a patent unless \u2026 he did not
himself invent the subject matter sought to
be patented.\u201d), nor to correct inventorship
under § 256:</span><a href="#_ftn1"
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<span
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An attorney\u2019s professional responsibility is
to assist his or her client in defining her
invention to obtain, if possible, a valid
patent with maximum coverage. An attorney
performing that role should not be a
competitor of the client, asserting his
inventorship as a result of representing his
client. Thus, to assert that proper
performance of the attorney\u2019s role is a
ground for invalidating the patent
constitutes a failure to understand the
proper role of the patent attorney.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span
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<i>Ring Plus Inc v Cingular Wireless
Corp.</i>, 614 F.3d 1354, ___, 6
USPQ2d 1022, ___ (Fed. Cir. 2010)
(material misstatement in Background
was material to inequitable conduct,
but did not establish intent to
deceive); Taltech Ltd v Esquel Ents
Ltd., 604 F3d 1324, ___, 95 USPQ2d
1257, ___ (Fed. Cir. 2010)
(inequitable conduct & atty fees
in undisclosed prior art, atty
misstatement; intent inferred from
circumstance & lack evidence of
good faith).</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span class="gmail-msofootnotereference"><sup>[2]</sup></span>
Exergen Corp v Wal-Mart Stores Inc., 575
F3d 1312, ___, 91 USPQ2d 1656, ___ (Fed.
Cir. 2009) (FRCP 9(b) pleading of
inequitable conduct reqs specific who,
what, when, where and how, including
facts implying intent).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span class="gmail-msofootnotereference"><sup>[3]</sup></span>
<i>Intirtool Ltd v Texar Corp.</i>, 369
F3d 1289, ___, 70 USPQ2d 1780, ___ (Fed.
Cir. 2004) (inequitable conduct of
faulty prosecution arguments);
<i>Norian Corp v Stryker Corp.</i>, 363
F3d 1321, 70 USPQ2d 1508 (Fed. Cir.
2004) (inequitable conduct of faulty
prosecution arguments);
<i>CFMT Inc v Yieldup Int\u2019l Corp.</i>,
349 F3d 1333, ___, 68 USPQ2d 1940, ___
(Fed. Cir. 2003) (inequitable conduct of
faulty prosecution arguments);
<i>Transonic Systems Inc v Non-Invasive
Medical Technologies Corp.</i>, 75
Fed.Appx. 765 (Fed. Cir. 2003)
(unpublished) (inequitable conduct of
faulty prosecution arguments);
<i>Gambro Lundia AB v Baxter Healthcare
Corp</i>, 110 F3d 1573, ___, 42 USPQ2d
1378, ___ (Fed. Cir. 1997).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<i>Solomon v. Kimberly-Clark Corp.</i>,
216 F.3d 1372, 1382, 55 USPQ2d 1279,
1285 (Fed. Cir. 2000).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I have had this happen half a dozen times
over the years. I send the standard email
"here are the claims, please look at them and
tell me if we have named all of the inventors"
and next thing you know, I am told I am a
co-inventor.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>When this happens, I simply sign a
declaration and asssignment, record the
assignment, and give it no further thought.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Yes I suppose one could concoct situations
where (for example) a malfeasant patent
attorney could intentionally slip a "not" into
the assignment, or could intentionally do
something or another during prosecution that
would somehow favor the attorney. To the
extent that one decides that such risks would
need to be somehow addressed, yes one cannot
imagine any approach other than transferring
everything about the case (including the
assignment task) to separate counsel.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>One imagines the client would get stuck
paying lots of money to new counsel for them
to spend the time needed gain familiarity with
the file.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I guess I have sort of assumed that if I can
be trusted not to screw over the client in the
handling of the file in general (before I was
identified as a co-inventor), I ought to be
able to be trusted not to screw over the
client in the remaining tasks. But you raise
valid questions that I have never thought
about.<o:p></o:p></p>
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named an inventor on their client's patent
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<p class="MsoNormal">Assume that the
attorney will assign all rights in the
invention to the client/applicant, should
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else handle the assignment?
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issues? (In a communication with the
client, who are you? Attorney or
co-inventor?)<o:p></o:p></p>
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