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    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">To me, that is inherent in
      their system and is not part of the conception - the inventor has
      established that it is computer implemented and conception is
      complete, so if the patent attorney adds stock
      paragraphs/drawing(s) generally describing and showing the basics
      of a computer (e.g., processor9s), memory, program storage, I/O,
      etc.), that is not invention or an inventive contribution. <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/9/2024 4:17 PM, Dale Quisenberry
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            about situation where client has a computer-implemented
            invention and patent attorney provides a form figure that
            illustrates basics of a computer and some form language that
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                    <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com">&lt;patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com&gt;</a> on
                    behalf of Richard Straussman via Patentpractice
                    <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">&lt;patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com&gt;</a><br>
                    <b>Date: </b>Monday, 9 December 2024 at 3:02</span><span
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                    <b>Cc: </b>Richard Straussman
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                    <b>Subject: </b>Re: [Patentpractice] Patent lawyer
                    as inventor on client's application?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                  style="font-family:Helvetica">I agree with Suzannah
                  and follow a similar approach.  However, I could dream
                  up some fringe cases where the patent attorney has
                  particular expertise similar to that of the inventors
                  and the patent attorney notices, for example, an
                  enablement problem/issue that involves a detailed
                  discussion back and forth until a solution is arrived
                  at, and thereby results in the possibility of the
                  patent attorney being a co-inventor.  In such a rare
                  case, I saw it happen once in 30+ years (not involving
                  me but, a colleague), and Carl's approach was used to
                  address it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">On 12/9/2024 3:40 PM, Suzannah K.
                  Sundby via Patentpractice wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">I\u2019d also question
                      whether the patent attorney is truly a \u201cjoint\u201d
                      inventor, i.e., worked in \u2018collaboration\u2019, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Imho, patent
                      attorneys should never
                      <i>write themselves in</i> as an inventor.  After
                      all, it is our job to write what the inventors
                      envision is their invention, not what we think the
                      inventors want to invent.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      embodiment/application/combination is contemplated
                      by the inventors and should therefore be included
                      as a claim, the patent attorney should ask as the
                      inventors a <i>leading</i> question, e.g., Do you
                      envision that this could be \u2026 ?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      say it is what I understood from their own
                      disclosure and/or I didn\u2019t know whether it would
                      work or not which is why I asked, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        Patentpractice
                        <a
href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com&gt;</a>
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Boundy via
                        Patentpractice<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 9, 2024 1:52 PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not
                        for laypersons to seek legal advice.
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                          href="mailto:PatentProcedure@gmail.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">&lt;PatentProcedure@gmail.com&gt;</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] Patent
                        lawyer as inventor on client's application?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">My
                            view is that you should not name yourself
                            inventor without a Really Good Reason. Here
                            are the reasons that you should not name
                            yourself as inventor:</span>
                          <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="gmail-listoutdent1typedletter-number"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36.0pt">
                          <span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">\u25cf   
                            If you are merely the attorney, not the
                            inventor, you are unlikely to be called for
                            deposition\u2014attorneys generally don\u2019t get
                            deposed unless there\u2019s some smell of
                            inequitable conduct in the air first.<a
                              name="_ftnref1" moz-do-not-send="true"></a><a
                              href="#_ftn1" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                class="gmail-msofootnotereference"><sup>[1]</sup></span></a> 
                            However, if you are a named inventor, you
                            <i>will</i> be deposed.  And once you\u2019re in
                            the hot seat in your role as inventor, the
                            scope of questions that you can be asked has
                            little bound, including \u201cfishing expedition\u201d
                            questions for inequitable conduct that
                            couldn\u2019t be asked if you weren\u2019t already
                            there.<a name="_ftnref2"
                              moz-do-not-send="true"></a><a
                              href="#_ftn2" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                class="gmail-msofootnotereference"><sup>[2]</sup></span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="gmail-listoutdent1typedletter-number"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36.0pt">
                          <span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">\u25cf   
                            When a statement of fact made solely as
                            <i>attorney argument</i> is erroneous
                            without intent, it\u2019s not inequitable
                            conduct.</span><a name="_ftnref3"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"></a><a href="#_ftn3"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              class="gmail-msofootnotereference"><sup><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">[3]</span></sup></span></a><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"> 
                            However, if you are the inventor, the same
                            argument could be an <i>inventor\u2019s
                              statement</i>, and that statement might be
                            evaluated for inequitable conduct on a far
                            different standard.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="gmail-listoutdent1typedletter-number"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36.0pt">
                          <span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">\u25cf   
                            As a person that is likely to become a
                            witness, you are disqualified from
                            representing the client in any litigation. 
                            The disqualification may extend to your
                            firm.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">While
                            the Federal Circuit has not explicitly
                            blessed the practice, it has at least told
                            district courts not to invalidate such
                            patents under old § 102(f) (\u201cA person shall
                            be entitled to a patent unless \u2026 he did not
                            himself invent the subject matter sought to
                            be patented.\u201d), nor to correct inventorship
                            under § 256:</span><a href="#_ftn1"
                            moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                              class="gmail-msofootnotereference"><sup><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">[4]</span></sup></span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="gmail-msoblocktext"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:36.0pt;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:36.0pt">
                          <span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">\u2026
                            An attorney\u2019s professional responsibility is
                            to assist his or her client in defining her
                            invention to obtain, if possible, a valid
                            patent with maximum coverage.  An attorney
                            performing that role should not be a
                            competitor of the client, asserting his
                            inventorship as a result of representing his
                            client.  Thus, to assert that proper
                            performance of the attorney\u2019s role is a
                            ground for invalidating the patent
                            constitutes a failure to understand the
                            proper role of the patent attorney.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="gmail-msofootnotetext"
                              style="margin-bottom:0cm"><a name="_ftn1"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">           
                                  <span
                                    class="gmail-msofootnotereference"><sup>[1]</sup></span>
                                  <i>Ring Plus Inc v Cingular Wireless
                                    Corp.</i>, 614 F.3d 1354, ___, 6
                                  USPQ2d 1022, ___ (Fed. Cir. 2010)
                                  (material misstatement in Background
                                  was material to inequitable conduct,
                                  but did not establish intent to
                                  deceive); Taltech Ltd v Esquel Ents
                                  Ltd., 604 F3d 1324, ___, 95 USPQ2d
                                  1257, ___ (Fed. Cir. 2010)
                                  (inequitable conduct &amp; atty fees
                                  in undisclosed prior art, atty
                                  misstatement; intent inferred from
                                  circumstance &amp; lack evidence of
                                  good faith).</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <div id="gmail-ftn2">
                            <p class="gmail-msofootnotetext"
                              style="margin-bottom:0cm"><a name="_ftn2"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">           
                                <span class="gmail-msofootnotereference"><sup>[2]</sup></span>
                                Exergen Corp v Wal-Mart Stores Inc., 575
                                F3d 1312, ___, 91 USPQ2d 1656, ___ (Fed.
                                Cir. 2009) (FRCP 9(b) pleading of
                                inequitable conduct reqs specific who,
                                what, when, where and how, including
                                facts implying intent).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div id="gmail-ftn3">
                            <p class="gmail-msofootnotetext"
                              style="margin-bottom:0cm"><a name="_ftn3"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"></a><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">           
                                <span class="gmail-msofootnotereference"><sup>[3]</sup></span>
                                <i>Intirtool Ltd v Texar Corp.</i>, 369
                                F3d 1289, ___, 70 USPQ2d 1780, ___ (Fed.
                                Cir. 2004) (inequitable conduct of
                                faulty prosecution arguments);
                                <i>Norian Corp v Stryker Corp.</i>, 363
                                F3d 1321, 70 USPQ2d 1508 (Fed. Cir.
                                2004) (inequitable conduct of faulty
                                prosecution arguments);
                                <i>CFMT Inc v Yieldup Int\u2019l Corp.</i>,
                                349 F3d 1333, ___, 68 USPQ2d 1940, ___
                                (Fed. Cir. 2003) (inequitable conduct of
                                faulty prosecution arguments);
                                <i>Transonic Systems Inc v Non-Invasive
                                  Medical Technologies Corp.</i>, 75
                                Fed.Appx. 765 (Fed. Cir. 2003)
                                (unpublished) (inequitable conduct of
                                faulty prosecution arguments);
                                <i>Gambro Lundia AB v Baxter Healthcare
                                  Corp</i>, 110 F3d 1573, ___, 42 USPQ2d
                                1378, ___ (Fed. Cir. 1997).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="gmail-msofootnotetext"
                              style="margin-bottom:0cm"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">           
                                <span class="gmail-msofootnotereference"><sup>[4]</sup></span>
                                <i>Solomon v. Kimberly-Clark Corp.</i>,
                                216 F.3d 1372, 1382, 55 USPQ2d 1279,
                                1285 (Fed. Cir. 2000).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Dec 9, 2024 at 1:40<span
style="font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">\u202f</span>PM Carl
                        Oppedahl via Patentpractice &lt;<a
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>&gt;
                        wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p>I have had this happen half a dozen times
                          over the years.  I send the standard email
                          "here are the claims, please look at them and
                          tell me if we have named all of the inventors"
                          and next thing you know, I am told I am a
                          co-inventor.<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p>When this happens, I simply sign a
                          declaration and asssignment, record the
                          assignment, and give it no further thought.<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p>Yes I suppose one could concoct situations
                          where (for example) a malfeasant patent
                          attorney could intentionally slip a "not" into
                          the assignment, or could intentionally do
                          something or another during prosecution that
                          would somehow favor the attorney.  To the
                          extent that one decides that such risks would
                          need to be somehow addressed, yes one cannot
                          imagine any approach other than transferring
                          everything about the case (including the
                          assignment task) to separate counsel.<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p>One imagines the client would get stuck
                          paying lots of money to new counsel for them
                          to spend the time needed gain familiarity with
                          the file.<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p>I guess I have sort of assumed that if I can
                          be trusted not to screw over the client in the
                          handling of the file in general (before I was
                          identified as a co-inventor), I ought to be
                          able to be trusted not to screw over the
                          client in the remaining tasks.  But you raise
                          valid questions that I have never thought
                          about.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">On 12/9/2024 1:03 PM,
                            Patent Lawyer via Patentpractice wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">What issues / concerns
                              are there with a patent attorney being
                              named an inventor on their client's patent
                              application?<o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Assume that the
                              attorney will assign all rights in the
                              invention to the client/applicant, should
                              the attorney advise them to have someone
                              else handle the assignment?
                              <o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Are there privilege
                              issues? (In a communication with the
                              client, who are you? Attorney or
                              co-inventor?)<o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Does the patent
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