<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Thank you, Carl. However, I direct readers to the entire section "
VI. SECURING THE RIGHT OF PRIORITY (ROP)" in my paper. This is because entire section shows that a written assignment of a priority document executed AFTER a PCT application is on file is insufficient to secure the ROP to the priority document. And the right to prove "equitable or beneficial" title, see subsection
VI.J, even if one can do so, is not universally recognized. </div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 20, 2024 at 3:41\u202fAM Carl Oppedahl <<a href="mailto:carl@oppedahl.com">carl@oppedahl.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p>Thank you Rick for posting. Yes, folks, Rick is exactly right
about this. See the webinar that I presented ten days ago ( <a href="https://blog.oppedahl.com/pct-webinars/" target="_blank">https://blog.oppedahl.com/pct-webinars/</a>
) where I discussed Rick's point in some detail. Part of what
Rick is getting at is highlighted by PCT Declaration Number 2,
discussed at slides 23-38 (available free of charge at that
page). A raw recording of the webinar is available free of charge
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<div dir="ltr">"put off the fight to get the fifth until it's a
nonprovisional and/or PCT." Good luck proving
the corporate applicant on the PCT is entitled the Paris
priority date, lacking an assignment executed BEFORE the PCT
filing date. Strongly suggest you read <strong><a href="https://www.neifeld.com/pubs/Avoiding%20Failed%20Patent%20Application%20Filings,%202023%20Paper.pdf" target="_blank">Avoiding Failed Patent Application
Filings, 2023 Paper, Submitted for the NAPP annual meeting
July 19, 2023</a>" Rick Neifeld, July 19, 2023., section </strong>VI.D.
The All Applicants Rule. </div>
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<p>Keep in mind you need to record within three months.
See <a href="https://blog.oppedahl.com/best-practice-recording-us-patent-assignments/" target="_blank">https://blog.oppedahl.com/best-practice-recording-us-patent-assignments/</a>
. So I would not foot-drag the recordation, especially
given that you don't have to pay any government fee to
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<p>In the old days when we had to pay a government fee to
record patent assignments, I know that many of us would
play a game of chicken, aging the first four
assignments, hoping against all hope that the fifth
inventor would cough up a signature within three months
of the earliest execution by the four earlier signers.
All to scrimp and save to avoid paying an extra $25.
But that fee is gone so that eliminates any good reason
to foot-drag the recordations.</p>
<p>I figure the longer one waits to extract a signature
from an inventor, the greater the period of exposure to
problems like the inventor getting run over by a truck
or worse.</p>
<p>Sometimes I have run into situations where the
non-provisional is admittedly non-identical to the
provisional, and I realize that to cover the situation
fully I would need two assignments -- one for the
provisional and a second for the non-provisional. And
yes you might say "assume for sake of discussion that I
do manage to extract a signature from the inventor for
the non-provisional, then surely that means I can
forgive myself for having failed to get that inventor to
sign the earlier assignment for the provisional."</p>
<p>Except at least in my own practice, every single time
that I have ever played this game (relying on a
signature for the non-provisional as the excuse for
ducking the pursuit of the signature for the
provisional), I have gotten burned. Every single time!
The ways that I have gotten burned when I play this game
have fallen into several categories:</p>
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<li>I run afoul of Article 4 of Paris, risking a failure
to comply with SAOSIT.</li>
<li>The inventor starts smelling blood in the water,
because maybe the invention must be really valuable
given the second patent filing, and so the inventor
starts holding the signature ransom.</li>
<li>The inventor gets run over by a truck.</li>
<li>The inventor has a last day of work and is less
cooperative than before.</li>
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have assignment from four of five inventors. The
fifth? Not hostile, but he's just a contractor, no
real loyalty to the client. Ignores emails
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<div>If I just record the assignment of four
inventors, and put off the fight to get the fifth
until it's a nonprovisional and/or PCT, I guess I'm
running a risk that he won't sign that either. But
is there any greater consequence to lacking the
signature if I wait? I am just out of vinegar to
fight with this guy, and I want to wait to have the
fight until its a nonprovisional.<br>
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