<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">I think the best argument here is that, in order for the examiner to claim that the rejection is based on "INFORMATION submitted in an information disclosure statement" (emphasis added), they'd have to take the position that they had completely forgotten the previous long discussion of the reference in question in the parent, hadn't previously considered it in the child application (as required), and thus citing it in the IDS somehow qualified it as new information. Note that the statement refers to INFORMATION submitted in an IDS, not a "reference" submitted/cited. <br><br>Probably worth a call to the examiner first, and point out that it's a reference they've supposedly already considered, and thus the IDS had no new information relevant to patentability with regard to that reference. Unfortunately, the risk of shame in being on record as taking an absurd position has not historically been a reliable motivator to get examiners to do a proper job. <div><br></div><div>Good luck!</div></div><div><br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;letter-spacing:0.1px">-Jeff </span><div><br style="font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;letter-spacing:0.1px"><span style="font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;letter-spacing:0.1px">Jeffrey E. Semprebon</span><br style="font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;letter-spacing:0.1px"><font face="Roboto, Arial, sans-serif"><span style="letter-spacing:0.1px">Registered Patent Agent (mechanical) looking for remote work</span></font></div><div><a href="mailto:jesemprebon@gmail.com" target="_blank">jesemprebon@gmail.com</a><br style="font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;letter-spacing:0.1px"><span style="font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;letter-spacing:0.1px">72 Myrtle Street</span><br style="font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;letter-spacing:0.1px"><span style="font-family:Roboto,Arial,sans-serif;letter-spacing:0.1px">Claremont, New Hampshire 03743</span><br></div></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Dec 20, 2024 at 2:04\u202fAM Benjamin Keim via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg8366125834235918937">
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<p class="MsoNormal">An examiner issued a final office action with a new grounds of rejection of a previously allowable claim. The reference used for the rejection
<u>was</u> listed in an IDS submitted with a fee.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">MPEP §706.07(a) would seem to permit this. \u201cFurthermore, a second or any subsequent action on the merits in any application will not be made final if it includes a rejection on newly cited art
<b>other than</b> information submitted in an information disclosure statement filed under 37 CFR 1.97(c) with the fee set forth in 37 CFR 1.17(p).\u201d<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">However, the examiner was well aware of this reference previously because it was considered in depth during the prosecution of the parent application. MPEP § 609.02(II)(A)(2) states: \u201cThe examiner will consider information which has been
considered by the Office in a parent application\u2026. A listing of the information need not be resubmitted in the continuing application\u2026\u201d<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So, I did not need to list this reference in the IDS. (I think it was included because a different foreign jurisdiction used it recently.) But I did.
<b>Does the fact it was listed in an IDS (with a fee) even though it wasn\u2019t new to the record make finality proper?<u></u><u></u></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-Ben<u></u><u></u></p>
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