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<p>Thank you for posting. This is very helpful.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/9/2025 9:22 AM, Goldberg, Judi via
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hi all,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I don\u2019t know if this will be helpful,
but a couple of months back, I had a problem with the PTO
retrieving a copy of an EP Patent from DAS via PDX. (I got a
whole lecture on how the USPTO uses PDX and we shouldn\u2019t mix
it up with DAS.<span>
</span></span><span><span>L</span></span><span>).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Even checking in DAS, it showed the
USPTO has successfully retrieved the document several times,
but the file history on PatentCenter showed that the
attempts had failed (and doesn\u2019t match up with the retrieval
dates on DAS).<span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Anyway, upshot is that I had entered
the application number in the ADS to include the trailing
decimal, which caused the problem in retrieving the EP
patent.<span> </span>
The gentleman at the PTO directed me to the attached
document, which includes the \u201cRecommended Application Number
Format\u201d for the priority application to be listed on the
ADS.<span>
</span>Since I do mostly national phase applications,
including (or not including) the trailing decimal on an EP
application number hadn\u2019t come up before.<span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Anyway, this may have nothing to do
with the problems you\u2019re having retrieving the priority
document from the JPO, but when you hear hoofbeats\u2026.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Best,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Judi</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
Patentpractice
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a> <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 9, 2025 3:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Carl Oppedahl <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:carl@oppedahl.com"><carl@oppedahl.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] Difficulty with
Priority Document Retrieval b/w JPO & USPTO</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On 1/9/2025 1:37 AM, Pamela
Brisky (Fujitsu) via Patentpractice wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hi</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>We have had several instances
where the USPTO has been "unable" to complete
electronic retrieval of priority documents from the
Japanese Patent Office. The USPTO states that they
are receiving a message when attempting the
retrieval that says "no PDF file." After three
tries, they stop and don't make any further
attempts. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I've never encountered this
issue before the last month or so and I suspect the
issue is on the USPTO end. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Has anyone else had this
happen to them? If so, what country?</span></p>
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<p>And while we are on the topic ...</p>
<p>I expect that for each of these Japanese priority
documents, you had already set up "tracking" in DAS, right?
So now what you can do is click in DAS to look at the
Retrieval History. Here is an example of an actual
Retrieval History:</p>
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<p>In this particular Retrieval History, we see that JPO, EPO,
and USPTO each did successfully retrieve their electronic
certified copy in November or December of 2024.</p>
<p>So now to turn to your Retrieval History for each of your
Japanese priority documents ... what does it say for the
US? Does it say that the retrieval succeeded? Does it say
that the retrieval failed?
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