<div dir="ltr">Its the PTO forms that made IDS "hard". Make your own form that complies with the rule. Assign each reference a sequential number. Keep all oreexisting reference citations in subsequent IDSs and add just add new citations. <div><br></div><div><img src="cid:ii_m5zt472o5" alt="image.png" width="563" height="110"><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>Same idea for the P, F, and L references.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 3:21\u202fPM Pamela Brisky (Fujitsu) via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-6435763639505432174">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also - Just curious. Anyone have any best practice suggestions on keeping track of the citation count? Is anyone using spreadsheets? Are admin support reviewing at IDS filing?
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks in advance,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Pam<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span> Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Pamela Brisky (Fujitsu) via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 16, 2025 3:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brisky, Pamela <<a href="mailto:pbrisky@fujitsu.com" target="_blank">pbrisky@fujitsu.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] Inquiry About Changes to IDS Forms<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Actually, no. They provided a response earlier (attached) that simply stated that the forms will be available for use on January 19.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The found my email again today and provided an additional response.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Pam<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall Svihla via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 16, 2025 3:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Randall Svihla <<a href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com" target="_blank">rsvihla@nsiplaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] Inquiry About Changes to IDS Forms<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">It took them 36 days to reply???<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span> Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Pamela Brisky (Fujitsu) via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 16, 2025 2:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Pamela Brisky (Fujitsu) <<a href="mailto:pbrisky@fujitsu.com" target="_blank">pbrisky@fujitsu.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Patentpractice] FW: Inquiry About Changes to IDS Forms<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi everyone,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just received from the USPTO \u2026<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Pam<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 16, 2025 2:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Brisky, Pamela <<a href="mailto:pbrisky@fujitsu.com" target="_blank">pbrisky@fujitsu.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Inquiry About Changes to IDS Forms<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12pt">Thank you for your inquiry. We sincerely apologize for the delay in replying. The SB/08A and SB/08B will not be modified to include the size fee assertion statements. However, another new form will be available
to select a size fee assertion. Additionally, the IDS autoload form will be updated to include an option for selecting a size fee assertion.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span> Pamela Brisky (Fujitsu) <<a href="mailto:pbrisky@fujitsu.com" target="_blank">pbrisky@fujitsu.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 11, 2024 2:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Patent Practice <<a href="mailto:PatentPractice@USPTO.GOV" target="_blank">PatentPractice@USPTO.GOV</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:FPC-atty-agent@fujitsu.com" target="_blank">FPC-atty-agent@fujitsu.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Inquiry About Changes to IDS Forms<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>PLEASE CONSIDER THE SOURCE</b> before responding, clicking on links, or opening attachments.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good afternoon:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Will the patent center versions of the IDS form SB/08A be updated to include the mandated fee statements discussed at 89 FR 91925, Section 8, as follows:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><i>Additionally, the USPTO is amending §\u20091.98(a) to include a new content requirement for an IDS that will facilitate implementation of the IDS size fee. Specifically, the USPTO is requiring that an IDS contain
a clear written assertion by the applicant and patent owner that the IDS is accompanied by the appropriate IDS size fee or that no IDS size fee is required. This assertion is necessary because it ensures the record is clear as to which fee the applicant or
patent owner believes may be due (or that no fee may be due) with the IDS so the examiner can promptly ascertain whether the IDS is compliant. There is no specific language required for the written assertion, but it should be readily identifiable on the IDS
and clearly convey the applicable IDS size fee by specifying the particular paragraph in §\u20091.17(v) that applies (
</i><em><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-style:normal">e.g.,</span></em><i> \u201cthe fee due under 1.17(v)(2)\u201d), if any.<u></u><u></u></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If so, will the forms be available before the fee changes effective Jan 19, 2025?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you in advance for your help with this matter.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Pamela Cei Brisky<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Senior Patent Paralegal<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Fujitsu Intellectual Property Center<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Fujitsu North America, Inc.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(571) 216-2112 <u></u><u></u></p>
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