<div dir="ltr"><div>Thank you, Carl and Rick. <br></div><div><br></div><div>I will definitely be taking action to protect my client. Ideally, the examiner will create a new 1449 that indicates he considered all of the references. But if that is not something I can get, I will file an examiner interview summary documenting that he stated via phone that he did consider all of the references and only lined through them because there was no period at the end of those entries.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your suggestions!<br></div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>------------------------------------------<br></div><div>Krista S. Jacobsen<br></div><div>Attorney and Counselor at Law</div><div>Jacobsen IP Law</div><div><a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a></div><div>T: 408.455.5539</div><div><a href="http://www.jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">www.jacobseniplaw.com</a></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 16, 2025 at 9:28\u202fAM Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p>Yeah. You could index it as an examiner interview summary.<br>
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supervisor to get clarity on this supposed rule, but before
I do that, I wanted to check with the brain trust." - By
rule, all communications must be in writing.</div>
<div>So file a remarks noting the examiner verbally admitted
he had considered the lined through reference, but was
required to line through them because the citations did not
enter in a period. Protect your client first. Then deal with
bureaucratic issues. My two cents. </div>
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<div>Here's a new one for me.</div>
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<div>I submitted an IDS with an application. The IDS
listed several items of non-patent literature (NPL).</div>
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<div>After a restriction requirement and some
communication re an examiner's amendment, we received
a notice of allowance. Accompanying the NOA was the
1449 form in which three of the NPL items had been
lined through. The IDS also has the usual line about
"All references considered except where lined
through." Frowning, I checked my records to ensure
that I had filed copies of these items. (I had.)</div>
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<div>Frowning more, I called the examiner to find out
why he had lined through the references. He said that
he considered the references, but he is supposed to
line through any entry of the NPL section of the IDS
that does not end in a period. (!!!!!) He said the IDS
will get "kicked back" to him, and at that point he
will make a correction (to add a period, I guess?).<br>
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<div>Has anyone ever heard of this? I would be shocked
if, sometime in the past, I did not end an entry in
the NPL section with a period, and yet this is the
first time an examiner has lined through such entries
after having considered the references.</div>
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<div>Also, who exactly down the line is going to see the
lined-through references and kick the IDS back to him?
The publications people will just assume that he
didn't consider those references.</div>
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<div>I'm considering calling the examiner's supervisor
to get clarity on this supposed rule, but before I do
that, I wanted to check with the brain trust. <br>
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