<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Steven - "
<span style="text-indent:48px">taught in Khachaturian in the Final Office action dated 26 July 2024 in the second paragraph on page 5" is very specific. The threshold for supporting finality are the requirements for reexamination, which are the same an the requirements for initial examination. 1.104(c)(2): (</span>"In rejecting claims for want of novelty or for obviousness, the examiner must cite the best references at his or her command. When a reference is complex or shows or describes inventions other than that claimed by the applicant, the particular part relied on must be designated as nearly as practicable. The pertinence of each reference, if not apparent, must be clearly explained and each rejected claim specified.")</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>" <span style="text-indent:48px">taught in Khachaturian in the Final Office action dated 26 July 2024 in the second paragraph on page 5" appears to satisfy the "</span>designated as nearly as practicable" requirement. The only way that you could show that " <span style="text-indent:48px">taught in Khachaturian in the Final Office action dated 26 July 2024 in the second paragraph on page 5" does not </span><span style="text-indent:48px"> satisfy the "</span>designated as nearly as practicable" requirement, is if that passage does not refer to <span style="text-indent:48px">Khachaturian. Otherwise, all you have shown is that you disagree with the examiner about the showings of </span><span style="text-indent:48px">Khachaturian. <i>Jung</i> noted that "</span>reference by specific column and line number was more than sufficient to meet this burden," not that the examiner's correspondence had to be correct. (So don't hold your breadth on the petition.)</div><div><br></div><div>BR, Rick</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="text-indent:48px"><br></span></div><div><span style="text-indent:48px"><br></span></div><div><span style="text-indent:48px"><br></span></div><div><span style="text-indent:48px"><br></span></div><div dir="ltr"> <span style="text-indent:48px"><br></span></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 1:02\u202fPM David Boundy via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Without deep thought and research, you might have a plausible case if you're willing to go to federal Court. (But I'd need to research it much deeper to know whether you have a strong case or a weak one.) The PTO's use of strategic delay in deciding petitions is truly beyond the pale, and you might well have a plausible claim.</div><div><br></div><div>The PTO's position is that <i>In re Jung </i>abs<font size="2" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">olves the PTO of the obligation of
5 U.S.C. § 555(e) to give you a useful explanation and <i>bona fide</i> response to your traverse. Contrast </font><a href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/555" target="_blank">https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/555</a> with <a href="https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=1519848467837385132" target="_blank">https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=1519848467837385132</a> (Jung is particularly galling -- while the attorneys were working on the brief, I told them that
35 U.S.C. § 132 wouldn't get them where they needed to go, look at
<font size="2" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> § 555</font> instead. They went with
§ 132. And lost. Oh well.)</div><div><br></div><div>Theoretically, you could request a
§ 1.136(b) extension. You have arguably "prosecuted the application" in a statutory sense, but how likely do you think it is that the PTO will buy that? A court maybe (I don't know how that one would come out). But the PTO only over dead bodies.<br></div><div><br></div><div>In the real world, where bullying goes unpunished because it generates revenue for the PTO and the PTO knows that court review will cost you six figures, the practical reality is that you're stuck. Appeal.<br>
</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 12:24\u202fPM steve--- via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal">Dear Group:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I ask your advice, both consensus and obscure, regarding action based on the below. I am tending toward a Notice of Appeal, preappeal conference request, and usurious extension of time. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The subject case had a Final office action issued 7/26/2024. On 9/26/2024, I filed both an after final response and a petition to withdraw finality. An advisory action was issued 10/1/2024, and a Petition Decision was mail 10/23/2024. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The petition was filed because a dependent claim was amended after non-final rejection, and the Examiner in the final rejection did not actually consider the effect of the amendment. This became critical when that same dependent claim was sought to be added to the independent claim.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">A Request for Reconsideration of the dismissal of the Petition was filed 10/24/2024. In this request for rehearing, a key sentence was \u201cWhile the issues of the claim admittedly changed, and the Examiner withdrew the prior rejections of claims 1-20, the final rejection did not, other than parroting the claim language, actually consider and analyze the differences in claim 4 before and after the amendment.\u201d The conclusion states:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in;text-indent:0.5in">Given that the language of the rejection explicitly fails to support the rejection, it is disingenuous for the Director to state \u201cAs detailed above, the limitation of claim 4 reciting \u2018wherein at least two of the plurality of wearable or implantable sensors sense the same physiological condition\u2019 was <b><i>discussed</i></b> by the examiner as being taught in Khachaturian in the Final Office action dated 26 July 2024 in the second paragraph on page 5.\u201d While the issue may have been nominally \u201cdiscussed\u201d, that is not the threshold required to sustain a final rejection according to 35 U.S.C. § 132(a) (\u201c\u2026\u201d) and 37 C.F.R. § 1.104 (\u201c\u2026\u201d).<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The request for rehearing was routed to the Office of Petitions, and based on a discussion, has not even been docketed to a petitions examiner, with the statutory deadline looming this week. There is thus no possibility that the petition will be decided before expiration of the statutory period. <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Meanwhile, since filing of the request for reconsideration, the Examiner tells me that she is prohibited from acting on my outstanding second submission after final rejection with a timely filed AFCP 2.0 request, due to a policy that stays all other USPTO action until the petition is decided.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Suggestions for action?<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Very truly yours,</span><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Steven M. 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