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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">So, when would the following five month extension apply?:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">37 CFR 1.136 Extensions of time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> (a)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> (1) <b>If an applicant is required to reply within a nonstatutory or shortened statutory time period, applicant may extend the time period for reply up to the earlier of the expiration of any maximum
period set by statute or five months after the time period set for reply</b>, if a petition for an extension of time and the fee set in § 1.17(a) are filed, unless:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> (i) Applicant is notified otherwise in an Office action;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> (ii) The reply is a reply brief submitted pursuant to § 41.41 of this title;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> (iii) The reply is a request for an oral hearing submitted pursuant to § 41.47(a) of this title;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> (iv) The reply is to a decision by the Patent Trial and Appeal Board pursuant to § 41.50 or § 41.52 of this chapter or to § 90.3 of this chapter; or<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> (v) The application is involved in a contested case (§ 41.101(a) of this title) or a derivation proceeding (§ 42.4(b) of this title).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Sharon Rubin</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> David Boundy <PatentProcedure@gmail.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 12, 2025 1:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Sharon Rubin <Sharon@gjip.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] Extended Due Date/Sanity Check Question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Justice Gorsuch (while still on the (Tenth?) Circuit) explained that one relies on PTO subregulatory guidance to override a statute at one's peril. The PTO doesn't have authority to waive it just by throwing an oddball name at it. whatever
authority the PTO had to stretch statutes ended with Loper Bright last summer.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Mar 12, 2025 at 1:19<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span>PM Sharon Rubin via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As Timothy said, Missing Parts has always been interpreted as 2 month + 5 months. 2 different docketing systems we\u2019ve used agree, so it must be true!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Our current docketing system says with regard to Missing Parts: \u201cThere are five extensions available, so the final time can be 7 months after the
date mailed. See MPEP 710.02(d) which explains why this time can go beyond 6 months.\u201d</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">MPEP</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">
<b>710.02(d) Difference Between Shortened Statutory Periods for Reply and Specified Time Limits [R-07.2015]</b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">\u201cThe 2-month time period for reply to A Notice to File Missing Parts of an Application is not identified on the Notice as a statutory period subject
to <a href="https://www.bitlaw.com/source/35usc/133.html" target="_blank">35 U.S.C. 133</a>. Thus, extensions of time of up to 5 months under <a href="https://www.bitlaw.com/source/37cfr/1-136.html" target="_blank">37 CFR 1.136(a)</a>, followed by additional
time under <a href="https://www.bitlaw.com/source/37cfr/1-136.html" target="_blank">37 CFR 1.136(b)</a>, when appropriate, are permitted.\u201d</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Goldberg, Judi via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 12, 2025 12:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Goldberg, Judi <<a href="mailto:jgoldberg@leydig.com" target="_blank">jgoldberg@leydig.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] Extended Due Date/Sanity Check Question</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">If the notice is dated 10/17/24, even with a two month response date (i.e., 12/17/24), and assuming the normal 3 month
extension available, the application wouldn\u2019t be abandoned until 3/<b>17</b>/25.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">My understanding has always been that you get 4 months of extension for a two month response date, and 5 months extension
on a one-month response, so everything equals a total available time of 6 months.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Let us know what you find out from PTO Legal. Thanks!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Suzannah K. Sundby via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 12, 2025 11:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Suzannah K. Sundby <<a href="mailto:suzannah@canadylortz.com" target="_blank">suzannah@canadylortz.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] Extended Due Date/Sanity Check Question</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Yeah, read what Boundy wrote and felt like everything I know and understand was turned upside down\u2026</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Btw, PatentCrapper indicates that the Notice mailed on October 17<sup>th</sup> is a Pre-Exam Formalities Notice.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I\u2019m going to contact Patent Legal because the given case is a mess.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">12/22/2021 Received Notice of Acceptance</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">09/03/2024 Notice withdrawing the Notice of Acceptance</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">09/13/2024 Notice of DO/EO Missing Requirements Mailed</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">10/17/2024 Notice withdrawing the Notice mailed 09/13/2024; Requirement for Sequence Listing setting 2 mo due date</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">03/12/2025 Abandonment Notice indicating no timely reply to the Notice of 10/17/2024</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Timothy Snowden via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 12, 2025 12:27 PM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Timothy Snowden <<a href="mailto:tdsnowden@outlook.com" target="_blank">tdsnowden@outlook.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] Extended Due Date/Sanity Check Question</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I see your point, but I know the office (FWIW) interprets Missing Parts as having 5 month extension available, which is what I was taught. I understood the keyword here in 35 USC 132 to be "ON EXAMINATION." But this isn't examination because it's always
<i>pre-</i>examination. In other words, although this may be an action, it's during a pre-examination review, not "on examination". Not sure how clearly that distinction carries into other thing, though.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Have I been missing something for years now? What happens when the office grants a patent after response to NTFMP at 7 months<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On 3/12/2025 11:18 AM, David Boundy via Patentpractice wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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or requirements" or "actions" even if the underlying basis is regulatory. "Action" is defined in 5 U.S.C. 551. Look at sections 132 and 133 --<o:p></o:p></p>
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<h1><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">35 U.S.C. § 132 - Notice of rejection; reexamination
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<span style="color:black;background:yellow">or any objection or requirement made</span>, the Director shall notify the applicant thereof, stating the reasons for such rejection, or objection or requirement, together with such information and references as may
be useful in judging of the propriety of continuing the prosecution of his application; and if after receiving such notice, the applicant persists in his claim for a patent, with or without amendment, the application shall be reexamined. No amendment shall
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Received a Notification to Comply (with Sequence Listing Requirements), which is essentially a Notice of Missing Parts.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The Notice was mailed October 17, 2024, and sets an extendible 2 month shortened due date.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The USPTO just mailed a Notice of Abandonment for failing to timely respond.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thus, I need a sanity check:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black;background:yellow">Because it is a 2-month shortened date, the due date can be extended by 5 months to May 17, 2025 \u2013 Correct?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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