<div dir="ltr"><div>You should review Rule 1.4(d)(5) if you modify the USPTO forms. </div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small">Tim Ackermann</div><div style="font-size:small">The Ackermann Law Firm</div><div style="font-size:small"><br></div><div style="font-size:small"><ul class="gmail-list-style-type-none" style="list-style-type:none;line-height:1.3em;margin:5px 0px 7px;padding-left:3px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:12.8px"><li align="left" id="gmail-d0e313310" class="gmail-nobull gmail-annotate-ok" style="list-style:none;margin-bottom:5px;padding-left:17px;background:none 0px 0px no-repeat scroll transparent">(5) <i>Forms.</i> The Office provides forms for the public to use in certain situations to assist in the filing of correspondence for a certain purpose and to meet certain requirements for patent applications and proceedings. Use of the forms for purposes for which they were not designed is prohibited. No changes to certification statements on the Office forms (<i>e.g.,</i> oath or declaration forms, terminal disclaimer forms, petition forms, and nonpublication request forms) may be made.<b> The existing text of a form, other than a certification statement, may be modified, deleted, or added to, if all text identifying the form as an Office form is removed.</b> <b>The presentation to the Office (whether by signing, filing, submitting, or later advocating) of any Office form with text identifying the form as an Office form by a party, whether a practitioner or non-practitioner, constitutes a certification under § <a href="https://mpep.uspto.gov/RDMS/MPEP/current#/current/d0e351236.html" style="color:rgb(0,140,255);text-decoration-line:none">11.18(b)</a> of this chapter that the existing text and any certification statements on the form have not been altered other than permitted by EFS-Web customization.</b></li></ul></div><p><font face="verdana, sans-serif" size="1"><span style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial">E: <a href="mailto:tim@ackermannlaw.com" target="_blank">tim@ackermannlaw.com</a></span><br><span style="background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial">P: 817.305.0690</span><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">My understanding from a CLE w on OED person long ago is YES, must remove the info even if you make a form that looks exactly lie the USPTO form.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(0,86,214)">The old form PTO-1390 [PTO-1390 (12-22) Approved for use through 11/30/2025. OMB 0651-0021] had this option:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(0,86,214)">The current form PTO-1390 [PTO-1390 (01-25) Approved for use through 11/30/2025 OMB 0651-0021] has the following:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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