<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Hi All,<br><br>When I\u2019m working on ex parte appeal briefs, I don\u2019t bother summarizing every dependent claim. After looking at the options, I lean toward David Boundy's interpretation. He argues\u2014after a careful review of the regulatory text\u2014that you only need a formal \u201cSummary of Claimed Subject Matter\u201d for a dependent claim if it includes a 112(f) limitation. This method avoids unnecessary repetition while still meeting the regulatory requirements. Sure, being extra cautious might seem like a good idea, but overdoing it can also make things cluttered and confusing. David\u2019s approach keeps the focus on the independent claims and only adds extra detail when it\u2019s truly needed.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 7:27\u202fAM Suzannah K. Sundby via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg4910115536715620230">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Was just writing my other post when yours sent\u2026 reiterated here with a slight modification (<span class="m_4910115536715620230SpellE">wrt</span> your function point):<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><i><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Summary of claimed subject matter.</span></i></b><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <u><span style="background:yellow">A</span></u> concise explanation of the subject
matter defined in each of the rejected independent claims, which shall refer to the specification in the Record by page and line number or by paragraph number, and to the drawing, if any, by reference characters<u><span style="background:yellow">.</span></u>
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<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;background:yellow">(1)</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> For each rejected independent claim<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;background:yellow">(2) ,
<u>and for each dependent claim argued separately</u> under the provisions of <a href="https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-37/section-41.37#p-41.37(c)(1)(iv)" target="_blank">paragraph (c)(1)(iv)</a> of this section,*</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;background:yellow">(3)</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> if the claim contains a means plus function or step plus function recitation as permitted by <a href="https://www.govinfo.gov/link/uscode/35/112" target="_blank">35
U.S.C. 112(f)</a>, <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<u><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;background:yellow">then the</span></u><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> concise explanation must identify the structure, material, or acts described in the specification
in the Record as corresponding to each claimed function with reference to the specification in the Record by page and line number or by paragraph number, and to the drawing, if any, by reference characters.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">* commas off-set the dependent claim requirement.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_4910115536715620230SpellE"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Wrt</span></span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> \u201ceach claimed function\u201d, I see that as meaning
if a claim limitation has <u>a</u> function, not necessarily a <span class="m_4910115536715620230SpellE">
means+function</span>\u2026 otherwise, why include a sentence about the requirement for independent claims again?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">OK.... As you've divided into (1) and (2), (1) and (2) are connected in the conjunctive (like limitations of a claim -- all must be satisfied in the conjunctive), not disjunctive. The words "
<span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">structure, material, or acts ... corresponding to each claimed function</span> " are pretty clearly directed to 112(f), no?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I
<span class="m_4910115536715620230m-7455507448569001098spelle">dunno</span>\u2026 I read 37 CFR 41.37(c)(1)(iii) differently (annotated below<span class="m_4910115536715620230m-7455507448569001098grame">), and</span> thus think it\u2019s best to err on the side of caution.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> <b><i>Summary of claimed subject matter.</i></b> <u><span style="color:black;background:yellow">A</span></u> concise explanation of the subject matter defined in each of the rejected
independent claims, which shall refer to the specification in the Record by page and line number or by paragraph number, and to the drawing, if any, by reference characters<u><span style="color:black;background:yellow">.</span></u>
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<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black;background:yellow">(1)</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> For each rejected independent claim,
<u><span style="color:black;background:yellow">and for each dependent claim argued separately</span></u> under the provisions of <a href="https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-37/section-41.37#p-41.37(c)(1)(iv)" target="_blank">paragraph
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<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black;background:yellow">(2)</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> if the claim contains a means plus function or step plus function recitation as permitted by <a href="https://www.govinfo.gov/link/uscode/35/112" target="_blank">35
U.S.C. 112(f)</a>, </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<u><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black;background:yellow">then the</span></u><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"> concise explanation must identify the structure, material, or acts described in
the specification in the Record as corresponding to each claimed function with reference to the specification in the Record by page and line number or by paragraph number, and to the drawing, if any, by reference characters.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Almost certainly, at the beginning of the section on the dependent claim, you lay out the relevant (and helpful) facts, as you would in any brief to any tribunal. But you do it
at the place and in the way it does the most good -- the section addressing the dependent claim.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The question was "<span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">must I summarize that dependent claim in the \u201cSUMMARY OF CLAIMED SUBJECT MATTER\u201d?</span> " The text of the reg
says "no," not in the Summary of Claimed Subject Matter.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 6:46<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">\u202f</span>AM Suzannah K. Sundby <<a href="mailto:suzannah@canadylortz.com" target="_blank">suzannah@canadylortz.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I guess I\u2019ve always been too scared to follow the rules that way\u2026 I mean, if one must argue each claim separately to avoid standing
or falling together, seems to me that part of that is also itemizing the claimed subject matter separately as well.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">After all, it\u2019s pretty easy to do with dependent claims, especially dependent claims are substantially in their originally presented
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<p class="MsoNormal">The question, at least as I interpreted it, was about the Summary.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, you have to separately argue the dependent claim, and you have to state that you're separately arguing it. But you don't have to do the "specification by page and line number,
and figure references" for dependent claims, except 112(f) limitations.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Wait, I thought even if a dependent claim (including non-112(f) claims) one must separately argue each claim, i.e., recite in the
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Summary of claimed subject matter.</span></i></b><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> A concise explanation of the
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