<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">OK, you are awesome \u2014 thank you very much!<div><br></div><div> - Mike.<br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Mar 26, 2025, at 2:58\u202fPM, Randall Svihla <rsvihla@nsiplaw.com> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Hi, Mike<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">File the attached paper.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Fill out Option B.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Code it as "Request for USPTO to retrieve priority docs" (<span class="SpellE">PD.REQ.RETR</span>).<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Then email<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="SpellE"><a href="mailto:pdx@uspto.gov" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">pdx@uspto.gov</a></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>and tell them you filed it and ask them to retrieve the certified copy.<span> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>Tell them they entered the wrong access code when they tried to retrieve it before.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Randall S. Svihla]<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">NSIP Law<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Washington, D.C.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentcolor currentcolor; border-image: none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Michael Dryja via Patentpractice<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, March 26, 2025 5:47 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Rick Neifeld <<a href="mailto:richardneifeld@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">richardneifeld@gmail.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Michael Dryja <<a href="mailto:mike@dryjapat.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">mike@dryjapat.com</a>>; For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Patentpractice] Certified copy of priority document issue<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Ah, never mind! I see what you meant, and do have the certificate.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Hopefully when I call the EBC they\u2019ll be able to sort it out. If not, will probably proceed with petition or something else.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">On Mar 26, 2025, at 10:42\u202fAM, Rick Neifeld <<a href="mailto:richardneifeld@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">richardneifeld@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Do you have proof the JP document is available in DAS? If not, I would get that (the certificate).<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">File a remarks noting the factual errors in the paper, and noting that the PD is available in DAS, and noting (aka arguing) that it is the USPTO's duty to pull a copy of the document from DAS. That is for the record in case of a challenge to entitlement to priority.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">And, file a petition, petitioning the PTO to pull the PD from DAS, including therein all the facts asserted in the remarks. Include a copy of the DAS availability certificate as evidence.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 1:09\u202fPM Michael Dryja via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><blockquote style="border-width: medium medium medium 1pt; border-style: none none none solid; border-color: currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204, 204, 204); border-image: none; padding: 0in 0in 0in 6pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-right: 0in;"><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I have been transferred a case with the following fact scenario, and am not 100% sure how to proceed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">The priority date of the Japanese application is 9/30/2022, and the US application was filed on 9/21/2023, under 119 (so we\u2019re well past beyond the 4 month date of the filing date and the 16 month date of the priority date). <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">The ADS filed with the application properly identified the JP application and gave the correct access code. The filing receipt listed the JP application correctly, and also confirmed that the access code was provided. We did not opt out of PDX on the ADS.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">The notice of allowance states that \u201capplicant has not filed a certified copy (see letter [date]) of the [US] application as required by 37 CFR 1.55.\u201d<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">There is no such letter dated [date] in the file wrapper. Moreover, the statement is that we applicant did not file a certified copy of the <i><span style="font-style: italic;">US</span></i> application \u2014 i.e., the application that is being allowed, not the JP application that the application claims priority to. Further, as noted above, we did provide the access code correctly on the ADS for the USPTO to get the document via PDX.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I called the Examiner, who was quite nice but doesn\u2019t know what to do (which is understandable). He suggested I call his supervisor, and I left him a voicemail. <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I\u2019m at a loss how else to proceed. Since we have a notice of allowance, the clock is ticking to paying the issue fee. And it will be a lot easier to get this taken care of before we pay the issue fee \u2014 or at least before the patent is issued \u2014 then later. <o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">Does anyone have any thoughts? Should I file an \u201cincoming letter after allowance" <i><span style="font-style: italic;">now</span></i> just to get something on the record, and continuing pursuing the matter through other channels? Or maybe file a petition now? I\u2019d like to speak with someone else as I think that there\u2019s some administrative snafu that someone can easily fix, but don\u2019t have a first clue how to go about finding that person.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"> - Mike.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">---<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; 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