<img width="1" height="1" src="https://gcfagjf.r.bh.d.sendibt3.com/tr/op/XTUuWLM48LpPzlEaLAUBS58Cpmnz1srqVMWiuKRkV4av8zYH5f-_OEDF9EaalmhLpMHCDWNoqt2WceBL8TAo1RJLdL_GwRb-N1QTgm0UFnd3CxFzm7XisyQ1WRng8Pjho63I_KC3FhmLdwtSa7TXHA-kH32p5qeR088o0Boz7AVhrHFy8u5qyouLgzRkfXzi3HaKWr1Ui9pXUB8xYZrRquykeOptJ_FzgFg2" style="mso-hide:all"/><div dir="ltr"><div>I've never had a request under Rule 105. But I don't see in the wording of the rule how 105 authorizes an examiner to ask for information about "the appropriate priority date" of a claim. 105 deals with providing information regarding prior art or the finding of prior art, which is why it refers to rule 56. Entitlement to priority (or to the benefit of an earlier filing date) is (a) tangential to finding prior art (it determines whether or not a publication may be cited against a particular claim, but is not necessary for finding the publication), and (b) something that the examiner can determine on his own: he can read through the priority document(s) and/or the earlier US applications for which the benefit of an earlier filing date is claimed, and determine earliest priority or benefit date for each claim.</div><div><br></div><div>Does anyone know what statutory section serves as the basis for rule 105?</div><div><br></div><div></div>Dan</div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 30, 2025 at 6:11\u202fPM Robert Blaha via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-2586161330865089126">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I\u2019ve received a heads-up from an examiner that he has issued a first office action in a CIP application that includes a request for information from the applicant for the appropriate
priority date for each of the pending claims. The office action is still in the pipeline. I do not recall ever coming across an office action with a request under Rule 105.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The MPEP indicates that a reasonable investigation and response is required to avoid abandonment. My gut tells me that a response including any facts beyond the filing date
of the parent patent application, or the filing date of the CIP application, will open up a huge mess if the parent patent and any subsequent patent were to ever be licensed or enforced. My gut further informs me that if facts beyond the specifications are
included that I should have at least some evidence of reasonable diligence in my possession from the applicant.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Any advice from those that have responded to a Rule 105 request would be appreciated. CFR and MPEP excerpts below
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">§ 1.105 Requirements for information.
</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">(<a href="https://gcfagjf.r.bh.d.sendibt3.com/tr/cl/CwO7qGh0Woqr2Pl1osKris0O0QzqgQXcKrvGb2rvFtifwTl__JvD-FJ0BKeCdyyV3aAk3I3SM5xAg2kBf8OWWbe2tmrns0CeQQMbd_d5Al5kGZbdHle4pPOvS-hNU4gA4fpX4cxx-F6TB_MvtdPDWeGNjf-nqheNzLJ8LtPYY-ZRgFLMUAcO4nnIFUuWhKAdiEtvhr41bYfGNXr2NK_Y5ZokxCNPlkiY0YEOgg4ypFBfED9v9I1pODKQM1TXUBkLslMYLfHJ11qzwrakelt1lIVTeXqK6MglNZfFofDbYc5AgzI98mwqnQf6n68lhcegLrIwjmoyAH1zQWfRPa0MkLy-NMsFq8mvKr4EV1F3a6ElMQ3P6zXL8BylF4IrRHU5j-Y8_dNVvtfToKLGWPZv-WjIbvtrur4M7e5SpoGljr3K2tOSwok" target="_blank">https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-37/chapter-I/subchapter-A/part-1/subpart-B/subject-group-ECFR4f6faa3f96af06d/section-1.105</a>)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">(1) In the course of examining or treating a matter in a pending or abandoned application, in a patent, or in a reexamination proceeding, including a reexamination proceeding
ordered as a result of a supplemental examination proceeding, the examiner or other Office employee may require the submission, from individuals identified under
<a href="https://gcfagjf.r.bh.d.sendibt3.com/tr/cl/3ddF0Bs4JCO6JbzPUufjfMqI7XqtOGs-vrH0bNY7cLFbeG_-KDxs7tBzqoPgGAFI-fvZn0spO2L0ROng0J1bJRSKiAqS8sKqTW-9AE5sgWMR3cXPSCCCTsIQjhSNnqFfk5mSDRrguUSIAjytgKfrEhb6DUAPWsmX4qkisMTK-vvDlgAFRNY143NruZSfi980RQ5Xxh2_5lZh2-RTCGi4dbVSTF7qyTIPtJX_HxdwWSdNatWyYmPGIj5aVkFYBMyBYvm9LroxEKNJn7iI2OZnNNBliE1rmH6nl5hoYukleUk0VtfBKPh8HuyXir4SGOmesGAGv3NdAviJGHCdCA" target="_blank">§ 1.56(c)</a>, or any assignee, of such information as may be reasonably necessary to properly examine or treat the matter . . .<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">MPEP 704.11 (<a href="https://gcfagjf.r.bh.d.sendibt3.com/tr/cl/SnggJfN1dDCbJARfsjOpErjrRizN6OG2LA922uBQfSqjD7_jheCA7kn0gaUlzD9NQpDbjFGfW0WJIGrqrZQ-2ruoU5TxUkffi9jxJ1kEalFjFW2xDZfeO9wnaDiLBonsNbV8_Durx1SiI0Tsu8VEqfCFkrJ53wkfg5JQmjtW-o8cl029Oq4Uwd157MhF3RF90Ln3QKKW8l1z3Nh4-z9Ii8tf7QPi3Jp0baqLavi4nU2VJX3FHgiWBvly8rFar7peTDGGHT56WTAjcz52Ew-vAXcgDeE_7OYimHX6AdcvdCXYxQsKZskqoWdKLZn_iSX9L5iytOFuwQ" target="_blank">https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s704.html</a>)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The terms \u201cfactual\u201d and \u201cfacts\u201d are included in <b><a href="https://gcfagjf.r.bh.d.sendibt3.com/tr/cl/pzH7X2Ufg_ER9gsHdeoLMfuKsdLb1Y0flZBBjJpbJAmreUlOc7XJ6Q_-lpTXY-CNEJsgFjHj_WoortCqK1PHWNenlbtkzEOHAkRWgr_mwv8Hc3ulJaDM88BVAzj0cSAFb8jAXSaNtQFwOltNHakWP0DVG9mnafBRfm3qKopKStTxVSnVx8ntLcNuN_cSpS9RTzruJEb61u5VLDEyxGlQlSkvh5mWIOUS-t_iwKEPdFBmbzp65sneBs_whDT6KEb4TbjVTLnl6R-d7W-MSwb9Crv-CGwb8IeX39XrLLqtBxgxIgYriJpu45awpSKyS2K0TMQgmrEDgE2BUuGUgilaq9feQovfQPW12ifF9BB2ZQ" target="_blank">37 CFR 1.105</a><span style="font-weight:normal"> to
make it clear that it is facts and factual information, that are known to applicant, or readily obtained after reasonable inquiry by applicant, that are sought, and that requirements under </span><a href="https://gcfagjf.r.bh.d.sendibt3.com/tr/cl/rIsK8Sk3yw0oTKyvowuUiu5YAv3HdV5qSdBI2o_-4BHVkzhh9NwHgyzmJi13W-ZmoxDFFpT8Jd_PO9WAh2EPeXRjC73qPprRCs4E9Ussc5NXJPLIrEK5P4XGzZ546HSP-EEi3I4I_pqAdAymMbKBXTsgbwvRB3zP9l5rbxF3JM9pJE9Sm0pwozyPf8EyT8KOvC50tJPNmIL4g9VEImYD2loTyoWWtXKLPPnxEDatH1XS8M7d6Cyycm_EP1WmLjyCKQL5te0k1ouzbpEky8j8S37PGIWIWrwLkp088ycSPNFxRSp36yaDKJuN_ta_SL6KqQAvwB2lVHaI9L5UbRerUxL4t4uKWkme37evs6oqJA" target="_blank">37
CFR 1.105</a><span style="font-weight:normal"> are not requesting opinions that may be held or would be required to be formulated by applicant. Where the factual information requested related to the subject application, and details thereof, applicant would
be expected to make a reasonable inquiry under the circumstances to find the factual information requested (</span><a href="https://gcfagjf.r.bh.d.sendibt3.com/tr/cl/fpiRnf_ov0Z4hzYbSWC61cEI3zZjpl1k8sF2Vb9Z9q7Badp8pmfPRtgBwB9T_xatQIYjqyfII0ySRTyEFDYVTwCe3oL0_9IQQruH3Nlv4lmdiDczAS3HzDkSPBTRhN8R0zu_t8qNmro25jVEpYpQICskyjB5zlX7Eyl8hB1SW9kM5ifxXosvqlEflCaVbc8qKUBwpDui6ojjx35WAPQMSZTQFUazIUvQbp5I3HihS7vBoZ3ShvQzO9_Mv4pkAutwJkYGPA0GREsGU1EWXNIOKJIPI0ioui-ntOBKVTd5Y-hDCF_C33RZIagBB1jd15uQun0cFCZr2tnch9sPLe25bhrQRtTw5Tb9QAA-vou6QA" target="_blank">37 CFR 11.18(b)(2)</a><span style="font-weight:normal">).
Applicant need not, however, derive or independently discover a fact, such as by experimentation, in response to a requirement for information. The purpose of </span><a href="https://gcfagjf.r.bh.d.sendibt3.com/tr/cl/lyMeREEYQAsVk3MI_gTxtkl37IhU6yFFgiqT84oicrF5s9coT9OqPm7-SEu5rXW6dIQZyZnT-gdrhMSSG4jlvPsONeTrxrtTqKdkFto0dpeaeQDJT8pTbA7s-MDVpibITStQzlIh8ByGoJ4WEmIyh9H4CFh-IgwQygSEoXuM1UmtQtWaNEOj-g1sb5p8SuQFLt4LTHYFmn2bQIHrHzKZsA7M_jPAFxQY62Dpr8zER0mSuz5Rde25XQTRsRs4lHbnLkYSot4EBNke5qf671jlztiCQYDCf_pcbky0Z-PWm5nHFdCl11h88DF-p0GFf6K4wZVEXQGpinzXJy1HLvyoDjjEXSDp8cD1OyYHyXFUzA" target="_blank">37 CFR
1.105</a><span style="font-weight:normal"> is to improve patent quality, and render better decisions, and not to put applicants in jeopardy of meeting their duties of candor and good faith in their replies to a requirement for information.<u></u><u></u></span></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">INFORMATION REASONABLY NECESSARY FOR FINDING PRIOR ART</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The criteria stated in <b><a href="https://gcfagjf.r.bh.d.sendibt3.com/tr/cl/hhm83npZrEd648ZXKvFiElU-nAHh746KnOSs_tF7wd-dev0fxgkcMOzEOHaE_LphB28yNF9p5cm-CMUZBv_ooIqfDJBKslqjSQp2URKNEjHT1gAH1ZNm7-33bsUQ6-_v2Ae7PIgIS66WDYtXMmYM44DD6OYGe1lwUJ-RfD_l9DqK5oTS3F88oTJr8ZOYw1N-cNRsfQ60HPejif35IjjJoy6g_lNQvCgRsC3ncPWdxbLUEVQBgdr6GlzaEspJ_p8LOOKgVxAkszGph8RyQwcsTVeLUrIELHMu3e9ju6W83D5XUxpQUr85tvVevIHjrJDauYsrL1Rv6JrC66O9yUQd6reufbwgxxwPjSw-k3WdMA" target="_blank">37 CFR 1.105</a><span style="font-weight:normal"> for making
a requirement for information is that the information be reasonably necessary to the examination or treatment of a matter in an application. The information required would typically be that necessary for finding prior art or for resolving an issue arising
from the results of the search for art or from analysis of the application file. A requirement for information necessary for finding prior art is not a substitute for the examiner performing a search of the relevant prior art; the examiner must make a search
of the art according to </span><a href="https://gcfagjf.r.bh.d.sendibt3.com/tr/cl/_7cbq1anbAqwSynqpMjVHlFuEePymhjEulSF876Ckqbdx5Q7opWw3e7W1pVr3jPif9YybLXL6PF28JocPucYhi5tRay7qSLeRdxkszkcuERiN0BjAPPuJttchQ49chpnAxuI5gh6UQqnZxF3RFLyjMC4vdixbXOAEN6PMjbRvKGbkCiHk0UyxcMvfnQt10zawejihqihKXpWGc6BvDbtt0_dEjQX_OCaDiwZcIkEfgMWBReHj28fMuMGXZefONnW04f6m9qbieTY83ZOgCTNdaXTT9e9RsSu6JHgCd-dUnlYh2UxjKbY83H3eZD2njiXkKH3seIe31L2i0uFKaN3y5Mb" target="_blank">MPEP §§ 704.01</a><span style="font-weight:normal"> and </span><a href="https://gcfagjf.r.bh.d.sendibt3.com/tr/cl/oiR52vu1-N0OaMKqoLAz4SOzOflFjMvtWk94LuRCrNCPG-tQyW1tjWL7ZGStXUh3qTr7ezUjLRkgki5buqUuG6P8cEM2VN2WahjxdCA07UW1szf7P6EIQcS7QgZRPQoUfnGe-oPTCt6VEKaOTl82eNATPpH1jlt0g7Z9VsYGFLXi6ui7EC4e3sDCoGqL02tEHy5CeIZE0iIUCglMdRGQgiuA82oJR2WLPWWE1Q_bFC1gSwy6ngtnM5vyqYOl41JF-vNtIpeKNOFxOJ6zlo19x-NQ-WYFiz8BA1VPqc0FE6MIhKikYYc6zvMt61iF6ljmKgCHo65BlPZd78nP7-FITE0wzg" target="_blank">904</a><span style="font-weight:normal"> \u2013 </span><a href="https://gcfagjf.r.bh.d.sendibt3.com/tr/cl/u17IZ9xKfqzSCLTRgKnYYLozejbQT4L7CDYyQMYeRllZm_o7_0OljaMQ0NQdvdHcxxiBaF0tDwODsiwIzWDTnelUWQWFc15f1iLY8lbmFrzD9WU_uL9HIW8LfKKj5M2zbghtVQ-_BZaOv0Q8yUsJrehc8Lgy-JIRZhK5skGcSthA38Lqr_Li0l6eaED59GdLSbFIqz5FAnr-utUVjpx5eHPoTNTZSfPBQ6Y-SKXZcBAG0WBIFBFEK1fC1rYGr1pTB8cmW7kYakkv0tJagCPjg8gXKwWx2Tt7NLVjmjXLWi7ePNJVgtgWYdYqhvnbqWgnC6iD-XPhPvOTDejKSkObqe-PQQ" target="_blank">904.03</a><span style="font-weight:normal">.<u></u><u></u></span></b></span></p>
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