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<b>(1)</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>It appears to me that unless the examiner rejects a claim in the CIP based on prior art that requires the applicant\u2019s reliance on an earlier priority date, the applicant has no obligation to establish any
priority date \u2013 the CIP filing date is sufficient.</p>
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MPEP 201.08 provides:</p>
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\u201cThe Office does not need to make a determination as to whether the requirement of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.bitlaw.com/source/35usc/120.html" data-outlook-id="d6007b78-f1e3-42e4-95e7-616ab98df272" data-linkindex="0" style="text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(0, 134, 240);">35
U.S.C. 120</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>that the earlier nonprovisional application discloses the invention of the second application in the manner provided by<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.bitlaw.com/source/35usc/112.html" data-outlook-id="64aa1b0c-f8c2-47bc-b17a-28a828f03b54" data-linkindex="1" style="text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(0, 134, 240);">35
U.S.C. 112(a)</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>is met unless the filing date of the earlier nonprovisional application<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><i>is relied upon in a proceeding before the Office</i></b>. Accordingly, an
alleged continuation-in-part application should be permitted to claim the benefit of the filing date of an earlier nonprovisional application if the alleged continuation-in-part application complies with the other requirements of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.bitlaw.com/source/35usc/120.html" data-outlook-id="501d8851-9d28-4e34-a200-53884fe05a0f" data-linkindex="2" style="text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(0, 134, 240);">35
U.S.C. 120</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.bitlaw.com/source/37cfr/1-78.html" data-outlook-id="d089d4ca-a968-4e3d-a99e-f581c42aa203" data-linkindex="3" style="text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(0, 134, 240);">37
CFR 1.78</a>, \u2026.. \u201c<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
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The MPEP is binding on the PTO and the burden is on the examiner to make a relevant prior art rejection that requires antedating the reference before demanding priority information under Rule 105.</p>
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<b>(2)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>The PTO\u2019s authority for Rule 105 is found in its rulemaking power to \u201cestablish regulations, not inconsistent with law, which-(A) shall govern the conduct of proceedings in the Office.\u201d 35 U.S.C. §\u20022(b)(2).</p>
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See the Federal Circuit\u2019s discussion on the PTO\u2019s authority under Rule 105 in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Star Fruits v. USPTO</i>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-federal-circuit/1320804.html" data-outlook-id="d3927658-fafd-4417-8443-833c8e3350d1" data-linkindex="4" style="text-decoration: underline; color: rgb(0, 134, 240);">No.
04-1160</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>(Fed. Cir. 2005).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
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<div>Seems to me that that's covered by 35 USC 119(b)(e) and 37 CFR 1.55(g)(3)(iii): the examiner can ask for such a translation. It doesn't appear that that's what rule 105 is about.</div>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, June 1, 2025 4:20 AM<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Patentpractice] Responding to a Rule 105 Request for Information<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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of a claim. 105 deals with providing information regarding prior art or the finding of prior art, which is why it refers to rule 56. Entitlement to priority (or to the benefit of an earlier filing date) is (a) tangential to finding prior art (it determines
whether or not a publication may be cited against a particular claim, but is not necessary for finding the publication), and (b) something that the examiner can determine on his own: he can read through the priority document(s) and/or the earlier US applications
for which the benefit of an earlier filing date is claimed, and determine earliest priority or benefit date for each claim.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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