<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">"<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px">claims relating to the Patent Rights [i.e., full interest in several existing foreign patents]." Reading between the lines, there is the possibility that you are taking responsibility for applications in their international phase or even before an international filing. If so, beware of switching applicants, and see 1.46(b)("</span>
person who otherwise shows sufficient proprietary interest in the matter must have been identified as the applicant for the United States in the international stage of the international application or as the applicant in the publication of the international registration under Hague Agreement Article 10(3).<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px">"). And, if the international phase claims Paris priority to an earlier filing, beware of diversity of the applicants under Paris article 4C.(4), PCT article 8(2)(a).</span><div><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"> Regarding your question, though, I think a joint representation is an ethics nightmare.</span></div><div><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14.6667px"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="Arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14.6667px">Rick<br></span></font><div><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px"> </span></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 11, 2025 at 10:11\u202fAM David Boundy via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I agree with Roger with a small modification. You could do it either way --</div><div> -- either a joint representation engagement letter, joint Power of Attorney, all the encumberments of a joint representation.<br></div><div> -- a sole party representation, specifically called out in the engagement letter.</div><div>Either way works. The former will by yucky and inefficient for the rest of time until the patent expires. The latter will be a pain in the neck in the short term, then smooth sailing.<br></div><div><br></div><div>But the practical implementation of the second one is kinda tricky. How to designate "applicant" so that an appointment from an assignee is sufficient "person who otherwise shows
sufficient proprietary interest in the matter" so that the PTO will recognize you? I suggest a one-pager from the owner/licensor that basically reiterates the
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\u201cbe responsible for and shall control the preparation, filing,
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protection, defense and maintenance of all claims relating to the
Patent Rights [i.e., full interest in several existing foreign patents]
licensed hereunder which are solely applicable to the Field of Use
(\u201cLicensee Claims\u201d).\u201d</span></span>
language. Your licensee wants to record the interest somehow. So:</div><div> 1. get a one-pager parallel to the usual one-page short-form assignment that you get for recording purposes to avoid recording the full agreement. This one-pager shoudl include the license, any limits on revocation, and the power to control prosecution (that is, all teh terms favorable to your client that you don't want the licensor to renounce).</div><div> 2. Get the licensor's signature on that, record it.</div><div>
3. Get the Power of Attorney from your licensee.<br></div><div> 4. Change "applicant" (which typically requires the Change of Applicant, Notice of Recordation, 3.73 Statement, and Power of Attorney filed as a single filing).<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 11, 2025 at 9:48\u202fAM Masson, Roger M. via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I haven\u2019t had this situation in patent prosecution but the representation agreement should spell out that you do not represent Licensor assuming you decide to represent only
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jim Larsen via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 10, 2025 10:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jim Larsen <<a href="mailto:jim@larsen-ip.com" target="_blank">jim@larsen-ip.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Patentpractice] PoA/Representation of licensee and licensor?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:1pt;color:white">Dear Listmates, I have a question of first impression (for me) regarding power of attorney. A new client (Licensee) has, by license agreement, agreed to solely
\u201cbe responsible for and shall control the preparation, filing, prosecution, protection,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Dear Listmates,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I have a question of first impression (for me) regarding power of attorney. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">A new client (Licensee) has, by license agreement, agreed to solely \u201cbe responsible for and shall control the preparation, filing, prosecution,
protection, defense and maintenance of all claims relating to the Patent Rights [i.e., full interest in several existing foreign patents] licensed hereunder which are solely applicable to the Field of Use (\u201cLicensee Claims\u201d).\u201d Note: Licensor is currently
a part owner of Licensee.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">The agreement also requires that Licensor have a chance to review the text of each patent application \u201crelating to Licensee Claims\u201d before filing,
and \u201cLicensee shall give Licensor the opportunity to provide comments concerning the preparation, filing, prosecution, protection, defense and maintenance of the Licensee Claims, and shall give reasonable consideration to such comments\u2026.\u201d<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Acknowledging the potential breadth of \u201crelating to\u201d language, the license agreement was reportedly hard-fought, was executed before we got involved,
and is not likely to change. So, my question regards power of attorney and (joint?) representation. I think we needn\u2019t represent the Licensor, and Licensor\u2019s \u201copportunity to provide comments\u201d does not necessarily require us to directly communicate with Licensor.
Is it nevertheless advisable to get POA and conflicts waiver from both Licensor and Licensee? Or, since Licensor is a part owner of Licensee, would POA from and representation of Licensee be sufficient? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I see these and other variations as each having pluses and minuses, but I bet some of you have dealt with a similar situation. What works best?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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