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<p>This got originally posted to the "patentcenter" listserv which
is chartered for discussion of bugs in Patent Center.</p>
<p>I think this should originally have gotten posted to the
"patentpractice" listserv. I am posting this followup to the
"patentpractice" listserv.</p>
<p>Now to return to the original question. The original question is
along the lines of "I filed a priority application (that happened
to be a provisional) and I did not make it so that the client was
the applicant." And "now I am filing a second patent application
(that will be a non-provisional application) and I do plan to make
it so that the client is the applicant." And "what should I do
about the first application having been filed with an applicant
that was not the client?"</p>
<p>And the answer turns in a very big way on whether or not the two
patent applications are filed in the same patent office.</p>
<p>If both applications are filed in the USPTO, then the Paris
Convention does not enter into the discussion. Instead, what we
have is a mere domestic benefit situation. And for that, what we
need to do is carefully read 35 USC 119e. Which I have not done
recently but I think the answer is you need to have at least one
inventor in common between the first application and the second
application. Which you do have, according to your original post.</p>
<p>But now let us suppose the non-provisional application is being
filed in France or Japan or Great Britain or someplace. In that
case the Paris Convention is very much in the discussion. We have
to worry about SAOSIT. And what I would do is consult competent
counsel in France or Japan or Great Britain or wherever.</p>
<p>Or suppose (as normally happens with nearly all of my own
clients) the second application (the non-provisional application)
is being filed as a PCT. There are about 104 places where you
might later enter the national phase from the PCT, one of which is
the US and the other 103 are not the US. As for the US, we can
now back up two paragraphs for the answer. It is a mere domestic
benefit situation. As for the other 103 places (which include
Japan and Great Britain) then once again I would consult competent
counsel to see what they say about SAOSIT.<br>
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<p>What is strikingly clear about this is that if only the
practitioner can manage to file the US provisional so that the
client is the applicant, than all of these problems disappear. So
the practice tip is, never file a US provisional in a way that
fails to set it up for the client to be the applicant.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/17/2025 10:02 AM, Dale Quisenberry
via Patentcenter wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thank you, Suzannah. <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Gotcha. Sounds like what I normally
do for any new NPA.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>So there is no need to state in the
ADS that the individual inventor was the prior Applicant for
the provisional application?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thanks again!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dale</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:
</span></b><span lang="EN-US">Suzannah K. Sundby
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:suzannah@canadylortz.com"><suzannah@canadylortz.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 17 June 2025 at 10:59</span><span
lang="EN-US">\u202f</span><span lang="EN-US">am<br>
<b>To: </b>For bug reports, feature requests, and
tips and tricks about Patent Center.
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Dale Quisenberry
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dale@quisenberrylaw.com"><dale@quisenberrylaw.com></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: PPA Applicant Is Individual --
NPA Applicant to be LLC Assignee</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">You simply need
to fill in the Applicant Information which is page 5
on the blank ADS form\u2026 Also file a POA by the
Applicant along with the 3.73 Statement, which means
you need to record the assignment from the inventor
to the LLC.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Patentcenter
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dale Quisenberry via
Patentcenter<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 17, 2025 11:48 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For bug reports, feature requests,
and tips and tricks about Patent Center.
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Dale Quisenberry
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dale@quisenberrylaw.com"><dale@quisenberrylaw.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Patentcenter] PPA Applicant Is
Individual -- NPA Applicant to be LLC Assignee</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>List mates,</span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I have a situation where a
provisional application was filed in the name of the
inventor as the applicant.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>The inventor is going to
assign the rights in the application to LLC, and
then a non-provisional application claiming benefit
of the provisional is to be filed naming the LLC as
applicant.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I seem to recall there are
some gymnastics required relative to the ADS for the
NPA.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Can someone remind me what I
need to do when filing the NPA?</span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thank you.</span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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