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<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">why do
<span class="m_-4275820637843796663SpellE">uspto</span> programmers design inefficiency into the system?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">To guarantee their employment\u2026 if a program/system is \u2018perfect\u2019 and can\u2019t be improved upon, they will no longer be needed.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I suspect this is the same for most all software programmers.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">In fact, I think software programmers, computer hardware
<span class="m_-4275820637843796663SpellE">mfrs</span>, and hackers are all in cahoots with each other\u2026 Think about it\u2026 over the last 10 or more years, not much is different
<span class="m_-4275820637843796663SpellE">wrt</span> to, e.g., MS Word and its functions, except for its appearance/interface\u2026 but the programmers keep making new versions claiming its new and improved.<span>
</span>The newer version, however, often removes a prior function or two\u2026 yet the newer version requires more RAM and ROM\u2026 which then requires one to get a new computer with sufficient RAM and ROM\u2026 which, \u2018lo and behold, the new computer\u2019s operating system
and/or the newer version of software has virus/hacker vulnerabilities (shocker), which requires patches etc. which require more RAM and ROM\u2026 and btw now the new computer and newer version of software doesn\u2019t work seamlessly with some of your other software
programs\u2026 so you have to get the newer versions of those other software programs\u2026 and \u2018round n \u2018round\u2026 meanwhile all the newer versions of software only allow annual subscription licenses whereby they can charge you more\u2026 and force you to upgrade to the next
newer version of the software which subscription costs even more. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 26, 2025 6:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Randall Svihla <<a href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com" target="_blank">rsvihla@nsiplaw.com</a>><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentcenter] [Patentpractice] why do uspto programmers design inefficiency into the system?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But I can see assignment data for unpublished applications, so they didn't cut ALL access to assignment data from PC. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>; users of Patentcenter <<a href="mailto:patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentcenter@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
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on record. When I click on "assignments", I get a pop-up window saying, "Patent Center only displays assignment information for non-public applications to user authorized to access the application. This application is open to the public. Please use Assignment
Search to search assignment information for applications open to the public. <a href="https://gcfagjf.r.af.d.sendibt2.com/tr/cl/-EmW0t0ZBqiB0ZKGIWv8Yi9y-p-aEjx_tHlbcJ0evDwDqI8Wtq9lbVnIkL-9WdwR-qAhPVZosSXDgEe9oloxMwsKxl9ZH8U5cu-wWvAthLhLM5Nm4qQsDNihUKEXvSvrGW8xisjgjctnwINgj0MglWvwDk9D9f9kXFhKWE72zVN9rjPwoT5uMJoxaCO6u2zZqTA87pIhkiTmBtrTLovCikG0da1C8m9LP5D58OdD5yaNdCN_dgBdOeQ1W_v0rSPZ5FNUm7hCK8Toro6w4tcd0VUmFudjsZsnLkNV1U60cNZb_Px7OzfCGZFP4Z76uVUUYVbNqq-EaADHtaLcNzj0-w" target="_blank">
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