<div dir="ltr"><div>I am once again in the situation where I asked the USPTO to retrieve a certified copy of the priority application via the ADS in an application filed a couple of months ago, and they have yet to do it. Presumably they have yet to do it because the later of the 4/16 dates is still several months away, but that is exactly why I want them to do it now. I do not like things to linger and potentially become emergencies.</div><div><br></div><div>I've set up tracking in DAS and also downloaded the certificate of availability, so I know they can get it if they try!</div><div><br></div><div>I just filed the old SB/38 form per Randall's suggestion from last year. I will report back on whether it works.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Krista</div><div><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>------------------------------------------<br></div><div>Krista S. Jacobsen<br></div><div>Attorney and Counselor at Law</div><div>Jacobsen IP Law</div><div><a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a></div><div>T: 408.455.5539</div><div><a href="http://www.jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">www.jacobseniplaw.com</a></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 10:37\u202fAM David Boundy via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>This might make sense as an ask in a Paperwork Reduction Act letter. After all, by statute, an agency is obligated to "minimize" burden (not reduce, minimize) especially when it can be done by electronic means. And this set of rules is currently under review at OMB (along with DOCX -- heh heh heh). <a href="https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/PRAOMBHistory?ombControlNumber=0651-0032" target="_blank">https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/PRAOMBHistory?ombControlNumber=0651-0032</a></div><div><br></div><div>I have a deadline tomorrow that needs to be met. Maybe Carl and Krista and I can work something up.<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 12:31\u202fPM Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
<div>
<p>Recall that we already sent a group letter about DAS. You can
read about it here:
<a href="https://blog.oppedahl.com/letter-has-been-sent-to-the-commissioner-for-patents-about-das/" target="_blank">https://blog.oppedahl.com/letter-has-been-sent-to-the-commissioner-for-patents-about-das/</a>
. This was on February 22, 2020.<br>
</p>
<p>Oh and the new group letter can remind the reader that this is
already our second time asking for the end of the foot-dragging.
We asked for that in the group letter just mentioned, more than
four years ago.</p>
<p>Oh and yes there is a tenth "ask" namely that RO/US become a
Depositing Office in DAS. We asked for this in the group letter
of four years ago.<br>
</p>
<div>On 8/6/2024 10:20 AM, Carl Oppedahl
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<p>Yeah, a group letter would be a good idea. there would be
multiple "asks".</p>
<p>First, can they stop the foot-dragging on the retrieval. In
present procedure, they always foot-drag the retrieval until the
case is getting released from the OPAP to the Examining Corps.
The correct behavior would be to retrieve the ECC (electronic
certified copy) without delay, later the same day after the
filer requests the retrieval.</p>
<p>Second, can they eliminate the human hand-keyed aspect of
this. The ADS provides the DAS access code in computer-readable
characters. The USPTO should extract the computer-readable DAS
access code from inside the XML of the ADS, and should auto-load
these computer-readable characters directly into the retrieval
system. It is stupid to flatten the ADS to an image, and then
halftone it, and then resample the DPI, and then ask a human
being at the USPTO to read it and hand-key it into the retrieval
system.</p>
<p>Third, can the USPTO please just take WIPO's example and
provide a USPTO click path (perhaps within Patent Center) by
which the filer can carry out the "action" (as in ePCT) of
requesting the retrieval. And then the click path will do a
real-time lookup in DAS and in real time, the click path will
display the results of the real-time lookup. In this way, the
filer can instantly learn whether there is a problem with the
DAS code. And then the actual retrieval should proceed in an
automatic way.<br>
</p>
<p>Fourth, in the case where the filer is providing the DAS access
code in an ADS, can Patent Center simply extract the
computer-readable DAS access code from the ADS and validate it
in real time against DAS, at the time of the upload of the ADS.</p>
<p>Fifth, in the case where the filer is providing the DAS access
code in a web-based ADS, can Patent Center simply validate it in
real time against DAS, at the time of the upload of the filer's
entry of the DAS access code into the web-based ADS. Note that
we first asked for this in July of 2020.<br>
</p>
<div>
<p>Sixth, Patent Center should display, in the foreign priority
tab, the results of the cross-check against DAS (success or
failure).</p>
<p>Seventh, <span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Libre Franklin","Helvetica Neue",helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;float:none">Patent
Center should display, in the foreign priority tab, the
results of the retrieval attempt from DAS. If the retrieval
from DAS worked, Patent Center needs to say so, along with
the date that it happened and whether or not that date
satisfies the 4-and-16 date. If the retrieval from DAS
failed, Patent Center needs to say so.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Libre Franklin","Helvetica Neue",helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;float:none">Eighth,
any time that the USPTO tries to retrieve an ECC from DAS
and fails, the USPTO should explicitly communicate this
failure to the filer by means of an email notification,
providing verbatim the text of the error message from DAS.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Libre Franklin","Helvetica Neue",helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;float:none">Ninth,
any time that the USPTO tries to retrieve an ECC from DAS
and succeeds, the USPTO should explicitly communicate this
success to the filer by means of an email notification.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Libre Franklin","Helvetica Neue",helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;float:none"><br>
</span> </p>
<p> </p>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
On 8/6/2024 10:01 AM, Krista Jacobsen via Patentpractice wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Thanks for the responses. There are a number of
frustrating aspects to this. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I will proceed with a "corrected" ADS, request for
corrected filing receipt, and old SB/38 form. And, of
course, an interim copy. <br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Maybe this situation calls for another group letter? I
can volunteer to draft one and circulate for comments
(though probably not immediately).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div>Krista</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
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<div dir="ltr">
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<div>------------------------------------------<br>
</div>
<div>Krista S. Jacobsen<br>
</div>
<div>Attorney and Counselor at Law</div>
<div>Jacobsen IP Law</div>
<div><a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a></div>
<div>T: 408.455.5539</div>
<div><a href="http://www.jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">www.jacobseniplaw.com</a></div>
</div>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at
8:42\u202fAM Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>
<p>What he said. It is super important to set up tracking
in the DAS system for every would-be priority document.<br>
</p>
<div>On 8/6/2024 9:09 AM, Randall Svihla via
Patentpractice wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi, Alan</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Sometime
the USPTO misreads the access code (B for 8 or 8
for B, etc.) and submits the wrong access code,<span>
</span>Sometimes the client gives you the wrong
access code.<span> </span>By setting up
tracking in the WIPO Digital Access Service, you
can see these errors.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Best
regards.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Randall
S. Svihla</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></font></p>
<div>
<div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Patentpractice <a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"><patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf
Of </span></b>Alan Taboada via
Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, August 6, 2024 11:04 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
For patent practitioners. This is not for
laypersons to seek legal advice. <a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
Alan Taboada <a href="mailto:ataboada@mtiplaw.com" target="_blank"><ataboada@mtiplaw.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to
download priority document from DAS</span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0e2841"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0e2841"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)">In
the past, we have submitted a corrected ADS with
the DAS code provided.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0e2841"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0e2841"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)">However,
I would love to know if there is a better way to
get this done as, in our experience, the USPTO
has been failing to retrieve priority
applications much more frequently and with
greater and greater hoops to be jumped through
to try to get the USPTO to electronically
retrieve the certified copy of the priority
document. In some cases, we needed to resort to
obtaining a paper version of the certified copy
ourselves to provide to the USPTO because the
USPTO is incapable of obtaining it.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0e2841"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0e2841"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)">Having
seen Randall\u2019s email prior to hitting send, we
will try that to see if that gives us better
results (thanks, Randall)!</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#0e2841"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:rgb(14,40,65)"> </span></font></p>
<div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Patentpractice <a href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"><patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Krista Jacobsen via
Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, August 6, 2024 10:44 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
For patent practitioners. This is not for
laypersons to seek legal advice. <a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b>
Krista Jacobsen <a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank"><krista@jacobseniplaw.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to
download priority document from DAS</span></font></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Hi all,</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">I have the same
question as Erin, and I cannot find an
answer. Am I being dumb?</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">An application
("FPA") was filed in a non-U.S. office, but
one that participates in DAS. </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">A U.S.
non-provisional application ("USNP") was
filed and claims priority to FPA.</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">The DAS code for FPA
was not provided by the foreign associates
before USNP was filed, so the DAS code does
not appear in the field of the ADS. </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">The 4/16 deadline is
approaching, and I need to request that the
USPTO retrieve a certified copy of FPA from
DAS. (Will also be submitting an interim
copy in case they dawdle.)</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">It seems like it
should be simple to do this ("Hi, here's the
DAS code for the application you already
know about, please retrieve it"), and yet I
cannot figure out how.</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Years ago when I had
to do this, I submitted an SB/38 form, which
had an Option B that allowed the DAS code to
be provided. But that form is dated 2017 and
seems to have been abrogated.</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">The current SB/38
form only "requests that the USPTO retrieve
a copy of the following foreign priority
application(s) <u>that was not filed in a
foreign intellectual property office
participating with the USPTO in a priority
document exchange agreement</u>
('Participating Office') but was submitted
in an application subsequently filed with a
Participating Office that permits the USPTO
to retrieve such copy." </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">That is not my
situation. I just need to provide a DAS code
so the USPTO can retrieve the application
from another Participating Office.</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Do I submit a
"corrected" ADS to provide the DAS code in
the foreign priority info section? </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Is there a different
form to do this that I have missed? I looked
through the list of forms provided by the
USPTO and did not see anything that seemed
applicable.</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Thanks in advance.</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Best regards,</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Krista</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">------------------------------------------</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Krista S.
Jacobsen</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Attorney
and Counselor at Law</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Jacobsen
IP Law</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"><a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">krista@jacobseniplaw.com</a></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">T:
408.455.5539</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"><a href="https://link.edgepilot.com/s/ecbebddd/1VqL_JWTpkKQnA9grqI70g?u=http://www.jacobseniplaw.com/" target="_blank">https://link.edgepilot.com/s/ecbebddd/1VqL_JWTpkKQnA9grqI70g?u=http://www.jacobseniplaw.com/</a></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">On Thu, May 16, 2024
at 9:52</span></font><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span></font>AM Erin
Geraghty via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11pt">That form seems
to only allow for obtaining from an
EP/JP case in which the priority
application was filed, right? It
does not mention obtaining the
document from WIPO.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt;font-style:italic">Please retrieve the foreign
priority application identified in
Column C, a copy of which is
contained in the EP or JP
application identified in Columns A
and B:</span></font></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11pt">There does not
appear to be an actual form for
requesting the PTO pull the priority
document via DAS? Am I missing
something? </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11pt">Apologies if
this is a stupid question, maybe I
need more caffeine. </span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On
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Re: [Patentpractice] venting -
failure to download priority
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Have you
ever try just filing a PTO/SB/38
Request to Retrieve Electronic
Priority Application(s) (the old form
with options A and B) to see if they
would retrieve it?</span></font></p>
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Re: [Patentpractice] venting -
failure to download priority
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11pt">It\u2019s even more
frustrating when they check the box on
the OA or NOA saying it was received
and it hasn\u2019t been. This happens a
lot and when we check Patent Center,
it isn\u2019t there. Then we have to try
and get in touch with someone to
request that they retrieve it.</span></font></p>
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failure to download priority
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11pt">I agree this is
incredibly frustrating! Especially as
they do not notify you when they have
successfully obtained it via DAS
except by checking a box on an OA or
NOA. It is even more troubling when
for some reason they run into an issue
and do not let you know they have
encountered an issue. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11pt">Also, when they
have not properly downloaded it, the
responsible parties at the PTO are
less than helpful when trying to
figure out what happened. </span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
[Patentpractice] venting - failure
to download priority document from
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Filed an
application that claims priority
only from a non-US application.
Foreign priority app is in DAS (I
checked with WIPO). Provided the
USPTO with the foreign application
no. and the DAS retrieval code on
an ADS at the time of filing. Got
the filing receipt, and it
acknowledges the foreign priority
claim and that the DAS code was
provided, and says that the USPTO
"will attempt to electronically
retrieve" the priority doc. But of
course, the p.d. isn't yet in the
electronic file.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">That the
PTO waits to retrieve the p.d. is
not news, Carl and others have
written about it. But it still
bugs me: how hard would it be for
the PTO to retrieve the document
NOW instead of waiting?</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12pt">Dan</span></font></p>
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