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</span>It seems that Krista has done that.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">This is one of the reasons why I always file an interim copies of priority documents with 371 national phase
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">You could do that now, just download it yourself, type \u201cInterim Priority Document\u201d on the first page at the
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Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Krista Jacobsen via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, June 27, 2025 9:51 AM<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Krista Jacobsen <krista@jacobseniplaw.com><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I am once again in the situation where I asked the USPTO to retrieve a certified copy of the priority application via the ADS in an application filed a couple of months ago, and
they have yet to do it. Presumably they have yet to do it because the later of the 4/16 dates is still several months away, but that is exactly why I want them to do it now. I do not like things to linger and potentially become emergencies.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I've set up tracking in DAS and also downloaded the certificate of availability, so I know they can get it if they try!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I just filed the old SB/38 form per Randall's suggestion from last year. I will report back on whether it works.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 10:37</span></font><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span></font>AM David Boundy via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">This might make sense as an ask in a Paperwork Reduction Act letter. After all, by statute, an agency is obligated to "minimize" burden (not reduce, minimize) especially when
it can be done by electronic means. And this set of rules is currently under review at OMB (along with DOCX -- heh heh heh).
<a href="https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/PRAOMBHistory?ombControlNumber=0651-0032" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I have a deadline tomorrow that needs to be met. Maybe Carl and Krista and I can work something up.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 12:31</span></font><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span></font>PM Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
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<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Recall that we already sent a group letter about DAS. You can read about it here:
<a href="https://blog.oppedahl.com/letter-has-been-sent-to-the-commissioner-for-patents-about-das/" target="_blank">
https://blog.oppedahl.com/letter-has-been-sent-to-the-commissioner-for-patents-about-das/</a> . This was on February 22, 2020.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Oh and the new group letter can remind the reader that this is already our second time asking for the end of the foot-dragging. We asked for that in the group letter just mentioned, more than
four years ago.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Oh and yes there is a tenth "ask" namely that RO/US become a Depositing Office in DAS. We asked for this in the group letter of four years ago.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On 8/6/2024 10:20 AM, Carl Oppedahl wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Yeah, a group letter would be a good idea. there would be multiple "asks".<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">First, can they stop the foot-dragging on the retrieval. In present procedure, they always foot-drag the retrieval until the case is getting released from the OPAP to the Examining Corps. The
correct behavior would be to retrieve the ECC (electronic certified copy) without delay, later the same day after the filer requests the retrieval.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Second, can they eliminate the human hand-keyed aspect of this. The ADS provides the DAS access code in computer-readable characters. The USPTO should extract the computer-readable DAS access
code from inside the XML of the ADS, and should auto-load these computer-readable characters directly into the retrieval system. It is stupid to flatten the ADS to an image, and then halftone it, and then resample the DPI, and then ask a human being at the
USPTO to read it and hand-key it into the retrieval system.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Third, can the USPTO please just take WIPO's example and provide a USPTO click path (perhaps within Patent Center) by which the filer can carry out the "action" (as in ePCT) of requesting the retrieval.
And then the click path will do a real-time lookup in DAS and in real time, the click path will display the results of the real-time lookup. In this way, the filer can instantly learn whether there is a problem with the DAS code. And then the actual retrieval
should proceed in an automatic way.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Fourth, in the case where the filer is providing the DAS access code in an ADS, can Patent Center simply extract the computer-readable DAS access code from the ADS and validate it in real time
against DAS, at the time of the upload of the ADS.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Fifth, in the case where the filer is providing the DAS access code in a web-based ADS, can Patent Center simply validate it in real time against DAS, at the time of the upload of the filer's entry
of the DAS access code into the web-based ADS. Note that we first asked for this in July of 2020.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Sixth, Patent Center should display, in the foreign priority tab, the results of the cross-check against DAS (success or failure).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Seventh, </span></font><font color="#333333" face="Libre Franklin"><span style="font-family:"Libre Franklin";color:#333333;background:white">Patent Center should display, in the foreign priority
tab, the results of the retrieval attempt from DAS. If the retrieval from DAS worked, Patent Center needs to say so, along with the date that it happened and whether or not that date satisfies the 4-and-16 date. If the retrieval from DAS failed, Patent Center
needs to say so.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size="2" color="#333333" face="Libre Franklin"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Libre Franklin";color:#333333;background:white">Eighth, any time that the USPTO tries to retrieve an ECC from DAS and fails, the USPTO should explicitly communicate
this failure to the filer by means of an email notification, providing verbatim the text of the error message from DAS.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><font size="2" color="#333333" face="Libre Franklin"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Libre Franklin";color:#333333;background:white">Ninth, any time that the USPTO tries to retrieve an ECC from DAS and succeeds, the USPTO should explicitly communicate
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I will proceed with a "corrected" ADS, request for corrected filing receipt, and old SB/38 form. And, of course, an interim copy.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Maybe this situation calls for another group letter? I can volunteer to draft one and circulate for comments (though probably not immediately).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 8:42</span></font><font face="Arial"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span></font>AM Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
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<p><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">What he said. It is super important to set up tracking in the DAS system for every would-be priority document.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi, Alan</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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wrong access code, Sometimes the client gives you the wrong access code. By setting up tracking in the WIPO Digital Access Service, you can see these errors.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Patentpractice
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Alan Taboada via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 6, 2024 11:04 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.
<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Alan Taboada <a href="mailto:ataboada@mtiplaw.com" target="_blank">
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download priority document from DAS</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="#0e2841" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">In the past, we have submitted a corrected ADS with the DAS
code provided.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="#0e2841" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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get this done as, in our experience, the USPTO has been failing to retrieve priority applications much more frequently and with greater and greater hoops to be jumped through to try to get the USPTO to electronically retrieve the certified copy of the priority
document. In some cases, we needed to resort to obtaining a paper version of the certified copy ourselves to provide to the USPTO because the USPTO is incapable of obtaining it.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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try that to see if that gives us better results (thanks, Randall)!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Krista Jacobsen via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 6, 2024 10:44 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Krista Jacobsen <a href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I have the same question as Erin, and I cannot find an answer. Am I being dumb?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The 4/16 deadline is approaching, and I need to request that the USPTO retrieve a certified copy of FPA from DAS. (Will
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Years ago when I had to do this, I submitted an SB/38 form, which had an Option B that allowed the DAS code to be provided.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Is there a different form to do this that I have missed? I looked through the list of forms provided by the USPTO and
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">That form seems to only allow for obtaining from an EP/JP case in which the priority application was filed, right? It
does not mention obtaining the document from WIPO.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i><font size="3" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-style:italic">Please retrieve the foreign priority application identified in Column C, a copy of which is contained
in the EP or JP application identified in Columns A and B:</span></font></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">There does not appear to be an actual form for requesting the PTO pull the priority document via DAS? Am I missing something?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Apologies if this is a stupid question, maybe I need more caffeine.
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Randall Svihla via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 16, 2024 11:50 AM<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download priority document from DAS</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Linda Zaveta via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 16, 2024 10:24 AM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">It\u2019s even more frustrating when they check the box on the OA or NOA saying it was received and it hasn\u2019t been. This happens
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Erin Geraghty via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 16, 2024 10:05 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Dan Feigelson <<a href="mailto:djf@iliplaw.com" target="_blank">djf@iliplaw.com</a>>; For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Erin Geraghty <<a href="mailto:ErinG@browdyneimark.com" target="_blank">ErinG@browdyneimark.com</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download priority document from DAS</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I agree this is incredibly frustrating! Especially as they do not notify you when they have successfully obtained it
via DAS except by checking a box on an OA or NOA. It is even more troubling when for some reason they run into an issue and do not let you know they have encountered an issue. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Aptos"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Also, when they have not properly downloaded it, the responsible parties at the PTO are less than helpful when trying
to figure out what happened. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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