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<p>Yeah, you are both right in my view.</p>
<p>It sort of depends on your willingness to play a game of chicken
with the USPTO.</p>
<p>If you are absolutely sure that you didn't get anything wrong in
that ADS, then you can be tough about it. (Meaning I am saying
Randall is right.) You just wait and wait and you refuse to hand
in the interim copy. Months, maybe a year or later, the USPTO
finishes its foot-dragging on doing the DAS retrieval. Or maybe
the USPTO decides to jerk you around and tell you that you got one
character wrong in your ADS. The USPTO finds a real or imagined
flaw in the format of the application number. <br>
</p>
<p>Keep in mind that the USPTO flattens the ADS to bitonality and
resamples it in terms of bits per inch, and makes it into a TIF
and then (I am not making this up) the USPTO person visually views
the DAS code and (I am not making this up) hand-keys it into some
DAS portal.</p>
<p>So if there had been a flyspeck of ink somewhere in that DAS
code, it might (in the visual cortex of the USPTO person) change
from a "B" to an "8" or vice versa.</p>
<p>This actually happened to me. They keyed in an 8 when it should
have been a B (or vice versa, I don't recall for sure). Later I
checked the log at the WIPO DAS system and saw the mistake they
had made. So then I wrote to <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pdx@uspto.gov">pdx@uspto.gov</a> and said "try it again
but this time use the B instead of the 8". And then the retrieval
worked.</p>
<p>Except what if you try and try and the USPTO decides to punish
you for using DAS instead of what they really want, which is a
physical certified copy so that some employee can drill out the
rivet and scan it in a scanner. Then you may find that you have
to pay the $600 penalty for handing in your certified copy late.</p>
<p>Which now brings us to why Suzannah is right. If you do spend
$200 worth of your professional time creating and e-filing the
interim copy, then you deny the USPTO the ability to be a jerk
about all of this. They can slow-walk the retrieval, and no way
will this force you to pay the $600 penalty. They can play dumb
and say they thought that B was really an 8, and no way will this
force you to pay the $600 penalty. They can nit-pick your format
of that application number, saying that you should have snipped
off that check digit at the end, or should have padded it with a
leading zero to yield a nine-digit number, and no way will this
force you to pay the $600 penalty. <br>
</p>
<p>So yes Suzannah is right and Randall is right.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/27/2025 8:56 AM, Randall Svihla
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hi, Suzannah</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>But you don't need an interim copy if
you have provided the correct priority application
information including the WIPO DAS code in the ADS pursuant
to 37 CFR 1.55(i).<span>
</span>It seems that Krista has done that.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Best regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Randall S. Svihla</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>NSIP Law</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Washington, DC</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
Patentpractice
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a> <b><span>On
Behalf Of
</span></b>Suzannah K. Sundby via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span>Sent:</span></b> Friday, June 27, 2025 9:58 AM<br>
<b><span>To:</span></b> For patent practitioners. This
is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b><span>Cc:</span></b> Suzannah K. Sundby
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:suzannah@canadylortz.com"><suzannah@canadylortz.com></a><br>
<b><span>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Patentpractice] group
letter (was venting - failure to download priority
document from DAS)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>This is one of the reasons why I
always file an interim copies of priority documents with 371
national phase entries\u2026 so I don\u2019t have to worry about when
the USPTO retrieves or fails to retrieve such.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>You could do that now, just download
it yourself, type \u201cInterim Priority Document\u201d on the first
page at the top and upload it into PatentCenter.<span> </span>Then
you need not worry about when the USPTO does it\u2026 and just
double check for it when you get the filing receipt, first
action on the merits, and upon receipt of the Notice of
Allowance.</span></p>
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Behalf Of
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<b><span>Sent:</span></b> Friday, June 27, 2025 9:51 AM<br>
<b><span>To:</span></b> For patent practitioners. This is
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<b><span>Cc:</span></b> Krista Jacobsen
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<b><span>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Patentpractice] group
letter (was venting - failure to download priority
document from DAS)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I am once again in the situation
where I asked the USPTO to retrieve a certified copy of
the priority application via the ADS in an application
filed a couple of months ago, and they have yet to do
it. Presumably they have yet to do it because the later
of the 4/16 dates is still several months away, but that
is exactly why I want them to do it now. I do not like
things to linger and potentially become emergencies.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I've set up tracking in DAS and
also downloaded the certificate of availability, so I
know they can get it if they try!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I just filed the old SB/38 form
per Randall's suggestion from last year. I will report
back on whether it works.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Best regards,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Krista</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 10:37</span><span>\u202f</span>AM
David Boundy via Patentpractice <<a
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>This might make sense as an
ask in a Paperwork Reduction Act letter. After
all, by statute, an agency is obligated to
"minimize" burden (not reduce, minimize) especially
when it can be done by electronic means. And this
set of rules is currently under review at OMB (along
with DOCX -- heh heh heh).
<a
href="https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/PRAOMBHistory?ombControlNumber=0651-0032"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
https://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/PRAOMBHistory?ombControlNumber=0651-0032</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I have a deadline tomorrow
that needs to be met. Maybe Carl and Krista and I
can work something up.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On Tue, Aug 6, 2024 at 12:31</span><span>\u202f</span>PM
Carl Oppedahl via Patentpractice <<a
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p><span>Recall that we already sent a group letter
about DAS. You can read about it here:
<a
href="https://blog.oppedahl.com/letter-has-been-sent-to-the-commissioner-for-patents-about-das/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
https://blog.oppedahl.com/letter-has-been-sent-to-the-commissioner-for-patents-about-das/</a>
. This was on February 22, 2020.</span></p>
<p><span>Oh and the new group letter can remind the
reader that this is already our second time asking
for the end of the foot-dragging. We asked for
that in the group letter just mentioned, more than
four years ago.</span></p>
<p><span>Oh and yes there is a tenth "ask" namely that
RO/US become a Depositing Office in DAS. We asked
for this in the group letter of four years ago.</span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On 8/6/2024 10:20 AM,
Carl Oppedahl wrote:</span></p>
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<p><span>Yeah, a group letter would be a good idea.
there would be multiple "asks".</span></p>
<p><span>First, can they stop the foot-dragging on
the retrieval. In present procedure, they
always foot-drag the retrieval until the case is
getting released from the OPAP to the Examining
Corps. The correct behavior would be to
retrieve the ECC (electronic certified copy)
without delay, later the same day after the
filer requests the retrieval.</span></p>
<p><span>Second, can they eliminate the human
hand-keyed aspect of this. The ADS provides the
DAS access code in computer-readable
characters. The USPTO should extract the
computer-readable DAS access code from inside
the XML of the ADS, and should auto-load these
computer-readable characters directly into the
retrieval system. It is stupid to flatten the
ADS to an image, and then halftone it, and then
resample the DPI, and then ask a human being at
the USPTO to read it and hand-key it into the
retrieval system.</span></p>
<p><span>Third, can the USPTO please just take
WIPO's example and provide a USPTO click path
(perhaps within Patent Center) by which the
filer can carry out the "action" (as in ePCT) of
requesting the retrieval. And then the click
path will do a real-time lookup in DAS and in
real time, the click path will display the
results of the real-time lookup. In this way,
the filer can instantly learn whether there is a
problem with the DAS code. And then the actual
retrieval should proceed in an automatic way.</span></p>
<p><span>Fourth, in the case where the filer is
providing the DAS access code in an ADS, can
Patent Center simply extract the
computer-readable DAS access code from the ADS
and validate it in real time against DAS, at the
time of the upload of the ADS.</span></p>
<p><span>Fifth, in the case where the filer is
providing the DAS access code in a web-based
ADS, can Patent Center simply validate it in
real time against DAS, at the time of the upload
of the filer's entry of the DAS access code into
the web-based ADS. Note that we first asked for
this in July of 2020.</span></p>
<div>
<p><span>Sixth, Patent Center should display, in
the foreign priority tab, the results of the
cross-check against DAS (success or failure).</span></p>
<p><span>Seventh, </span><span>Patent Center
should display, in the foreign priority tab,
the results of the retrieval attempt from
DAS. If the retrieval from DAS worked, Patent
Center needs to say so, along with the date
that it happened and whether or not that date
satisfies the 4-and-16 date. If the retrieval
from DAS failed, Patent Center needs to say
so.</span></p>
<p><span>Eighth, any time that the USPTO tries to
retrieve an ECC from DAS and fails, the USPTO
should explicitly communicate this failure to
the filer by means of an email notification,
providing verbatim the text of the error
message from DAS.</span></p>
<p><span>Ninth, any time that the USPTO tries to
retrieve an ECC from DAS and succeeds, the
USPTO should explicitly communicate this
success to the filer by means of an email
notification.</span></p>
<p><span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On 8/6/2024 10:01 AM,
Krista Jacobsen via Patentpractice wrote:<br>
<br>
</span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thanks for the
responses. There are a number of
frustrating aspects to this.
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I will proceed with
a "corrected" ADS, request for corrected
filing receipt, and old SB/38 form. And,
of course, an interim copy.
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Maybe this
situation calls for another group letter?
I can volunteer to draft one and circulate
for comments (though probably not
immediately).</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Best regards,</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Krista</span></p>
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S. Jacobsen</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Attorney
and Counselor at Law</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Jacobsen
IP Law</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On Tue, Aug 6, 2024
at 8:42</span><span>\u202f</span>AM Carl
Oppedahl via Patentpractice <<a
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p><span>What he said. It is super
important to set up tracking in the DAS
system for every would-be priority
document.</span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On 8/6/2024
9:09 AM, Randall Svihla via
Patentpractice wrote:</span></p>
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<blockquote>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hi, Alan</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Sometime the
USPTO misreads the access code (B
for 8 or 8 for B, etc.) and submits
the wrong access code, Sometimes
the client gives you the wrong
access code. By setting up tracking
in the WIPO Digital Access Service,
you can see these errors.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Best regards.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Randall S.
Svihla</span></p>
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<b><span>From:</span></b><span>
Patentpractice
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moz-do-not-send="true"><patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a>
<b><span>On Behalf Of </span></b>Alan
Taboada via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span>Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, August 6, 2024 11:04 AM<br>
<b><span>To:</span></b> For
patent practitioners. This is
not for laypersons to seek legal
advice.
<a
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b><span>Cc:</span></b> Alan
Taboada <a
href="mailto:ataboada@mtiplaw.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<ataboada@mtiplaw.com></a><br>
<b><span>Subject:</span></b> Re:
[Patentpractice] venting -
failure to download priority
document from DAS</span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>In the past,
we have submitted a corrected ADS
with the DAS code provided.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>However, I
would love to know if there is a
better way to get this done as, in
our experience, the USPTO has been
failing to retrieve priority
applications much more frequently
and with greater and greater hoops
to be jumped through to try to get
the USPTO to electronically retrieve
the certified copy of the priority
document. In some cases, we needed
to resort to obtaining a paper
version of the certified copy
ourselves to provide to the USPTO
because the USPTO is incapable of
obtaining it.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Having seen
Randall\u2019s email prior to hitting
send, we will try that to see if
that gives us better results
(thanks, Randall)!</span></p>
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moz-do-not-send="true"><patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a>
<b><span>On Behalf Of </span></b>Krista
Jacobsen via Patentpractice<br>
<b><span>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday,
August 6, 2024 10:44 AM<br>
<b><span>To:</span></b> For patent
practitioners. This is not for
laypersons to seek legal advice.
<a
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b><span>Cc:</span></b> Krista
Jacobsen <a
href="mailto:krista@jacobseniplaw.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<krista@jacobseniplaw.com></a><br>
<b><span>Subject:</span></b> Re:
[Patentpractice] venting - failure
to download priority document from
DAS</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hi all,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I have
the same question as Erin, and I
cannot find an answer. Am I
being dumb?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>An
application ("FPA") was filed in
a non-U.S. office, but one that
participates in DAS.
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>A U.S.
non-provisional
application ("USNP") was filed
and claims priority to FPA.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>The DAS
code for FPA was not provided by
the foreign associates before
USNP was filed, so the DAS code
does not appear in the field of
the ADS. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>The 4/16
deadline is approaching, and I
need to request that the USPTO
retrieve a certified copy of FPA
from DAS. (Will also be
submitting an interim copy in
case they dawdle.)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>It seems
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for the application you already
know about, please retrieve
it"), and yet I cannot figure
out how.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Years ago
when I had to do this, I
submitted an SB/38 form, which
had an Option B that allowed the
DAS code to be provided. But
that form is dated 2017 and
seems to have been abrogated.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>The
current SB/38 form only
"requests that the USPTO
retrieve a copy of the following
foreign priority application(s)
<u>that was not filed in a
foreign intellectual property
office participating with the
USPTO in a priority document
exchange agreement</u>
('Participating Office') but was
submitted in an application
subsequently filed with a
Participating Office that
permits the USPTO to retrieve
such copy." </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>That is
not my situation. I just need to
provide a DAS code so the USPTO
can retrieve the application
from another Participating
Office.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Do I
submit a "corrected" ADS to
provide the DAS code in the
foreign priority info section?
</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Is there
a different form to do this that
I have missed? I looked through
the list of forms provided by
the USPTO and did not see
anything that seemed applicable.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On Thu,
May 16, 2024 at 9:52</span><span>\u202f</span>AM
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>That
form seems to only allow
for obtaining from an
EP/JP case in which the
priority application was
filed, right? It does
not mention obtaining the
document from WIPO.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span>Please
retrieve the foreign
priority application
identified in Column C,
a copy of which is
contained in the EP or
JP application
identified in Columns A
and B:</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>There
does not appear to be an
actual form for requesting
the PTO pull the priority
document via DAS? Am I
missing something?
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Apologies
if this is a stupid
question, maybe I need
more caffeine.
</span></p>
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venting - failure to
download priority
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Have
you ever try just filing a
PTO/SB/38 Request to
Retrieve Electronic
Priority Application(s)
(the old form with options
A and B) to see if they
would retrieve it?</span></p>
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download priority
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>It\u2019s
even more frustrating when
they check the box on the
OA or NOA saying it was
received and it hasn\u2019t
been. This happens a lot
and when we check Patent
Center, it isn\u2019t there.
Then we have to try and
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venting - failure to
download priority
document from DAS</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I
agree this is incredibly
frustrating! Especially
as they do not notify you
when they have
successfully obtained it
via DAS except by checking
a box on an OA or NOA. It
is even more troubling
when for some reason they
run into an issue and do
not let you know they have
encountered an issue. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Also,
when they have not
properly downloaded it,
the responsible parties at
the PTO are less than
helpful when trying to
figure out what happened.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Filed
an application that
claims priority only
from a non-US
application. Foreign
priority app is in DAS
(I checked with WIPO).
Provided the USPTO
with the foreign
application no. and
the DAS retrieval code
on an ADS at the time
of filing. Got the
filing receipt, and it
acknowledges the
foreign priority claim
and that the DAS code
was provided, and says
that the USPTO "will
attempt to
electronically
retrieve" the priority
doc. But of course,
the p.d. isn't yet in
the electronic file.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>That
the PTO waits to
retrieve the p.d. is
not news, Carl and
others have written
about it. But it still
bugs me: how hard
would it be for the
PTO to retrieve the
document NOW instead
of waiting?</span></p>
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