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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Krista Jacobsen via Patentpractice<br>
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<b>Cc:</b> Krista Jacobsen <krista@jacobseniplaw.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] group letter (was venting - failure to download priority document from DAS)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am once again in the situation where I asked the USPTO to retrieve a certified copy of the priority application via the ADS in an application filed a couple of months ago, and they have yet to do it. Presumably they have yet to do it
because the later of the 4/16 dates is still several months away, but that is exactly why I want them to do it now. I do not like things to linger and potentially become emergencies.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I've set up tracking in DAS and also downloaded the certificate of availability, so I know they can get it if they try!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I just filed the old SB/38 form per Randall's suggestion from last year. I will report back on whether it works.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This might make sense as an ask in a Paperwork Reduction Act letter. After all, by statute, an agency is obligated to "minimize" burden (not reduce, minimize) especially when it can be done by electronic means. And this set of rules
is currently under review at OMB (along with DOCX -- heh heh heh). <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.reginfo.gov_public_do_PRAOMBHistory-3FombControlNumber-3D0651-2D0032&d=DwMFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=laE26KlATwcl6WmS-u-lWOwRzUwWk0awqjzSi3uodMc&m=hufTrFWm7zeKN232UDpDdBfI3TBlFxsYtZh1thKhi8RXYemzLSq_Okstsi4rJqJo&s=qG5MtyG5aWwi0SHRaJfq5ZtT3JXuxZiatFxwo7FnunY&e=" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have a deadline tomorrow that needs to be met. Maybe Carl and Krista and I can work something up.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Recall that we already sent a group letter about DAS. You can read about it here:
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__blog.oppedahl.com_letter-2Dhas-2Dbeen-2Dsent-2Dto-2Dthe-2Dcommissioner-2Dfor-2Dpatents-2Dabout-2Ddas_&d=DwMFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=laE26KlATwcl6WmS-u-lWOwRzUwWk0awqjzSi3uodMc&m=hufTrFWm7zeKN232UDpDdBfI3TBlFxsYtZh1thKhi8RXYemzLSq_Okstsi4rJqJo&s=M97QjTkoJ2NiouV_AP-fGq1bDfcJtF3QLVFFUSaVBKg&e=" target="_blank">
https://blog.oppedahl.com/letter-has-been-sent-to-the-commissioner-for-patents-about-das/</a> . This was on February 22, 2020.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Oh and the new group letter can remind the reader that this is already our second time asking for the end of the foot-dragging. We asked for that in the group letter just mentioned, more than four years ago.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Oh and yes there is a tenth "ask" namely that RO/US become a Depositing Office in DAS. We asked for this in the group letter of four years ago.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Yeah, a group letter would be a good idea. there would be multiple "asks".<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>First, can they stop the foot-dragging on the retrieval. In present procedure, they always foot-drag the retrieval until the case is getting released from the OPAP to the Examining Corps. The correct behavior would be to retrieve the ECC (electronic certified
copy) without delay, later the same day after the filer requests the retrieval.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Second, can they eliminate the human hand-keyed aspect of this. The ADS provides the DAS access code in computer-readable characters. The USPTO should extract the computer-readable DAS access code from inside the XML of the ADS, and should auto-load these
computer-readable characters directly into the retrieval system. It is stupid to flatten the ADS to an image, and then halftone it, and then resample the DPI, and then ask a human being at the USPTO to read it and hand-key it into the retrieval system.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Third, can the USPTO please just take WIPO's example and provide a USPTO click path (perhaps within Patent Center) by which the filer can carry out the "action" (as in ePCT) of requesting the retrieval. And then the click path will do a real-time lookup
in DAS and in real time, the click path will display the results of the real-time lookup. In this way, the filer can instantly learn whether there is a problem with the DAS code. And then the actual retrieval should proceed in an automatic way.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Fourth, in the case where the filer is providing the DAS access code in an ADS, can Patent Center simply extract the computer-readable DAS access code from the ADS and validate it in real time against DAS, at the time of the upload of the ADS.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Fifth, in the case where the filer is providing the DAS access code in a web-based ADS, can Patent Center simply validate it in real time against DAS, at the time of the upload of the filer's entry of the DAS access code into the web-based ADS. Note that
we first asked for this in July of 2020.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Sixth, Patent Center should display, in the foreign priority tab, the results of the cross-check against DAS (success or failure).<o:p></o:p></p>
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Patent Center should display, in the foreign priority tab, the results of the retrieval attempt from DAS. If the retrieval from DAS worked, Patent Center needs to say so, along with the date that it happened and whether or not that date satisfies the 4-and-16
date. If the retrieval from DAS failed, Patent Center needs to say so.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Libre Franklin";color:#333333;background:white">Eighth, any time that the USPTO tries to retrieve an ECC from DAS and fails, the USPTO should explicitly communicate this failure to the filer by means of an email notification, providing
verbatim the text of the error message from DAS.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Libre Franklin";color:#333333;background:white">Ninth, any time that the USPTO tries to retrieve an ECC from DAS and succeeds, the USPTO should explicitly communicate this success to the filer by means of an email notification.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for the responses. There are a number of frustrating aspects to this.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I will proceed with a "corrected" ADS, request for corrected filing receipt, and old SB/38 form. And, of course, an interim copy.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe this situation calls for another group letter? I can volunteer to draft one and circulate for comments (though probably not immediately).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>What he said. It is super important to set up tracking in the DAS system for every would-be priority document.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Sometime the USPTO misreads the access code (B for 8 or 8 for B, etc.) and submits the wrong access code, Sometimes
the client gives you the wrong access code. By setting up tracking in the WIPO Digital Access Service, you can see these errors.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.
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<b>Cc:</b> Alan Taboada <a href="mailto:ataboada@mtiplaw.com" target="_blank"><ataboada@mtiplaw.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download priority document from DAS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">In the past, we have submitted a corrected ADS with the DAS code provided.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">However, I would love to know if there is a better way to get this done as, in our experience, the USPTO
has been failing to retrieve priority applications much more frequently and with greater and greater hoops to be jumped through to try to get the USPTO to electronically retrieve the certified copy of the priority document. In some cases, we needed to resort
to obtaining a paper version of the certified copy ourselves to provide to the USPTO because the USPTO is incapable of obtaining it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0E2841">Having seen Randall\u2019s email prior to hitting send, we will try that to see if that gives us better results
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Krista Jacobsen via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 6, 2024 10:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download priority document from DAS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I have the same question as Erin, and I cannot find an answer. Am I being dumb?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">An application ("FPA") was filed in a non-U.S. office, but one that participates in DAS.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">A U.S. non-provisional application ("USNP") was filed and claims priority to FPA.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The DAS code for FPA was not provided by the foreign associates before USNP was filed, so the DAS code does not appear in the field of the ADS.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The 4/16 deadline is approaching, and I need to request that the USPTO retrieve a certified copy of FPA from DAS. (Will also be submitting an interim copy in case they dawdle.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">It seems like it should be simple to do this ("Hi, here's the DAS code for the application you already know about, please retrieve it"), and yet I cannot figure out how.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Years ago when I had to do this, I submitted an SB/38 form, which had an Option B that allowed the DAS code to be provided. But that form is dated 2017 and seems to have been abrogated.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The current SB/38 form only "requests that the USPTO retrieve a copy of the following foreign priority application(s)
<u>that was not filed in a foreign intellectual property office participating with the USPTO in a priority document exchange agreement</u> ('Participating Office') but was submitted in an application subsequently filed with a Participating Office that permits
the USPTO to retrieve such copy." <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">That is not my situation. I just need to provide a DAS code so the USPTO can retrieve the application from another Participating Office.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Do I submit a "corrected" ADS to provide the DAS code in the foreign priority info section?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Is there a different form to do this that I have missed? I looked through the list of forms provided by the USPTO and did not see anything that seemed applicable.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks in advance.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 9:52<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span>AM Erin Geraghty via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">That form seems to only allow for obtaining from an EP/JP case in which the priority application was filed, right? It does not mention obtaining
the document from WIPO.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i>Please retrieve the foreign priority application identified in Column C, a copy of which is contained in the EP or JP application identified in Columns A and B:</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">There does not appear to be an actual form for requesting the PTO pull the priority document via DAS? Am I missing something?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Apologies if this is a stupid question, maybe I need more caffeine.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Randall Svihla via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 16, 2024 11:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Randall Svihla <<a href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com" target="_blank">rsvihla@nsiplaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download priority document from DAS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Have you ever try just filing a PTO/SB/38 Request to Retrieve Electronic Priority Application(s) (the old form with
options A and B) to see if they would retrieve it?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Linda Zaveta via Patentpractice<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 16, 2024 10:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>; Dan Feigelson <<a href="mailto:djf@iliplaw.com" target="_blank">djf@iliplaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Linda Zaveta <<a href="mailto:lzaveta@mtiplaw.com" target="_blank">lzaveta@mtiplaw.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] venting - failure to download priority document from DAS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">It\u2019s even more frustrating when they check the box on the OA or NOA saying it was received and it hasn\u2019t been. This happens a lot and when we check
Patent Center, it isn\u2019t there. Then we have to try and get in touch with someone to request that they retrieve it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I agree this is incredibly frustrating! Especially as they do not notify you when they have successfully obtained it via DAS except by checking a
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and the DAS retrieval code on an ADS at the time of filing. Got the filing receipt, and it acknowledges the foreign priority claim and that the DAS code was provided, and says that the USPTO "will attempt to electronically retrieve" the priority doc. But of
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