<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I should add, the six patents I checked are owned by companies (not individuals or universities)<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 3, 2025, at 4:18 PM, Patent Lawyer via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" class="">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><font face="Times New Roman" class="">I just checked 3 small entity cases that issued in the last couple of weeks. They each have the correct status in Patent Center.</font><div class=""><font face="Times New Roman" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font face="Times New Roman" class="">I also checked 3 "old" small entity cases (these issued more than 6 years ago). They too each have the correct status in Patent Center.</font></div><div class=""><font face="Times New Roman" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font face="Times New Roman" class="">Those old cases were filed before PatentCenter and would have been imported into Patent Center by the PTO, and it did not change their "entity status."</font></div><div class=""><font face="Times New Roman" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font face="Times New Roman" class="">I am not saying the PTO did not screw up some cases, but I am not seeing it on the few I checked.</font></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 3, 2025, at 3:59 PM, Rick Neifeld via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" class="">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">1. I require at least a written acknowledgement from a client (or in the case of a client having a local agent, from the local agent) that they are aware of the small entity status requirements and after factual investigation confirm that the patent is still entitled to small entity status. For direct clients, I normally require a newly signed SE form before making a maintenance fee payment on their behalf. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That does not moot PatentCenter sub slientio having changed entity status, but it puts the factual investigation and conclusions where they should be; with the person having personal knowledge of the facts.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">2. I wonder of PatentCenter has implemented some algorithm to automatically remove SE status from all patents owned by an entity if someone pays a MF for one patent owned by that entity at the non SE rate. Call me slightly paranoid of USPTO actions, ever since the DOCX requirement.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 3, 2025 at 2:23\u202fPM Suzannah K. Sundby via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" class="">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-4347004639869710653">
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<div class="m_-4347004639869710653WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">Of course\u2026 but I imagine some patentees who use maintenance fee vendors might claim they made an innocent mistake/oversight\u2026 but if they have to actively/purposefully change the entity status back
to small entity in <span class="m_-4347004639869710653SpellE">PatentCrapper</span>, one can\u2019t really claim an innocent oversight.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="">Hence, why I wonder if the USPTO might be purposefully changing to large entity to force one to have to actively change to small\u2026 then if small entity is wrongly claimed, the USPTO can levy the significant
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">The first maintenance fee is due in a patent. The client asked me to change it to small entity so their vendor can pay the small entity maintenance fee.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I checked my records and PatentCrapper. The application was filed as small entity and the issue fee was also paid as small entity, and at no time did we change the entity status to Large.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Yet, strangely, PatentCrapper shows the entity status as being Regular Undiscounted.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Has this happened to anyone else?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I wonder if the USPTO has decided to automatically change entity status to large for patentees who are companies (not obviously research institutions) to force one to reassert small entity status when paying maintenance fees\u2026 and thereby
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