<div dir="ltr"><div>Like Ron, I know of no case that that challenged "preponderance of evidence" and I agree that it wouldn't be waived.<br></div><div><br></div><div>But I disagree with his (unstated) suggestion that it's a viable issue. There's a reason no one has challenged this -- it's a loser. Look at the Constitutional text -- do you see the words "clear and convincing" in Article I, section 8, clause 8? I don't either. Where the Constitutional text grants a power to Congress but doesn't specify a limit on that power, Congress can legislate as it likes. Wisdom isn't a viable basis to challenge an act of Congress.<br></div><div><br></div><div>You've got a page limit. Use those pages on something else.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 5:07\u202fAM Ron D. Katznelson via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="serif" style="text-decoration:none;line-height:1.5;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Stan Kremen asked whether the </font><span style="text-decoration:none;font-family:serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">preponderance of the evidence </span><font face="serif" style="text-decoration:none;line-height:1.5;color:rgb(0,0,0)">standard
for an IPR rather than clear & convincing evidence has ever been challenged in court. As best I know, the answer is<span> </span><b><i>no</i></b>, but detailed briefs to that effect were filed with SCOTUS and the PTAB.</font><span style="text-decoration:none;display:inline;color:rgb(0,0,0);background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"></span>
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<div style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><font face="serif" style="line-height:1.5">The first occasion was on August 31, 2017, when we filed an<span> </span><a href="https://patentdocs.typepad.com/files/16-712-tsac-ieee-usa.pdf#page=28" style="color:rgb(0,134,240)" target="_blank">IEEE-USA<span> </span><i>amicus</i><span> </span>brief</a><span> </span>that
I authored in the<span> </span><i>Oil States</i><span> </span>case before the SCOTUS. Section III of our brief provides authorities and explaining why the preponderance of evidence standard in 35
U.S.C. § 316(e) is \u201ca constitutionally defective evidentiary standard.\u201d I showed that the application of of this standard in IPR proceeding violates the patent holder's Due Process rights as being too lax to make reasonable assurance of accurate fact-finding.
"The function of a standard of proof, as that concept is embodied in the Due Process Clause and in the realm of fact-finding, is to instruct the factfinder concerning the degree of confidence our society thinks he should have in the correctness of factual
conclusions for a particular type of adjudication."<span> </span><i>Addington v. Texas</i><span> </span>441 U.S. 418, 423 (1979). The standard of proof depends solely on the relative<span> </span><i><b>disparity</b></i><span> </span>of
the parties\u2019 countervailing risks of adjudication errors against them. The presumption of patent validity under the clear & convincing evidence standard is an immutable adjudicatory standard matched to the large asymmetry in the countervailing risks to the
litigants due to factfinder errors in patent validity determinations. When the factfinder erroneously upholds an invalid patent, the patent challenger risks the unjust loss of damage award only for his own infringement, whereas when the factfinder erroneously
finds a valid patent to be invalid, the patent holder risks the unjust loss of his rights to damage awards not only from the patent challenger but also from hundreds of infringers or licensees. He also unjustly loses his trade secret, enriching the public
with a disclosure of his invention that was published upon consummation of the patent bargain. That is why proof against him must be at the heightened standard of clear & convincing evidence. </font></div>
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<div><font face="serif" style="line-height:1.5">This constitutional argument was not raised by the parties and therefore the SCOTUS decision in<span> </span><i>Oil States</i><span> </span>did not address
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<div><font face="serif" style="line-height:1.5">The second occasion that this constitutional argument was raised was at the PTAB by the Patent Owner's response on <a href="https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/ptab-filings%2FIPR2020-00995%2F23#page=48" style="color:rgb(0,134,240)" target="_blank">March
3, 2021 in IPR2020-00995</a>. Section V of the response provides an updated detailed analysis, further distinguishing the argument from the constitutional case in <i>Celgene Corp. v. Peter</i>, 931 F.3d 1342, 1358 (Fed. Cir. 2019). </font></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="serif" style="line-height:1.5"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">The PTAB had no authority to consider the constitutionality of </span>§ 316(e) and simply passed on the issue.
The Patent Owner <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Appealed to the Federal Circuit in Case No. </span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">2022-1357 on January 11, </span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">2022.
However, the case was not briefed as the Patent Owner </span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">voluntarily dismissed the appeal pursuant to FRAP 42(b) on</span> <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">April
22, 2022, for other reasons.</span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="serif" style="line-height:1.5">I believe you do not need to have raised this constitutional issue at the PTAB and can do so for the first time at the Federal Circuit. This is because the PTAB cannot decide the constitutionality
of its own statute. </font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="serif" style="line-height:1.5">Best,</font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="serif" style="line-height:1.5">Ron</font></p>
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What are the general grounds for appeal from an IPR decision. Would PTAB misinterpreting claims be adequate grounds. Also, has the statute setting the evidentiary standard for an IPR to preponderance of the evidence rather than clear and convincing ever been
challenged at the Fed. Circuit or at SCOTUS?<br>
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