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<p>Thank you folks for identifying this issue, which I had never
thought about until now.</p>
<p>Seems to me that the 3.73 statement ought to trump any dopey
internal procedure or unwritten rule within the USPTO.</p>
<p>To the extent that you manage to get this worked out, and can
share about it, I'd be all ears.</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/26/2025 12:51 PM, Katherine Koenig
via Patentpractice wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thank you, Randall. I think calling
OPLA is a good suggestion.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>David, I see your point about who the
PTO will take instructions from, but it was my understanding
\u2013 as Randall notes \u2013 that you can\u2019t update Applicant by
corrected ADS after the patent issues.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>We did record the assignment before
filing the POA, and even submitted the POA with the 3.73
statement and a copy of the Assignment Notice of Recordation
to prove the change in ownership.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I\u2019m stuck: they won\u2019t accept me as
attorney unless I have POA from the applicant
</span><span>ā</span><span> I don\u2019t represent the original
applicant and they won\u2019t accept POA from the owner because
the owner isn\u2019t the applicant
</span><span>ā</span><span> can\u2019t change applicant after
issuance
</span><span>ā</span><span> can\u2019t get POA from applicant
</span><span>ā</span><span> won\u2019t accept POA I have.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I don\u2019t know why they make it so
hard. It seems silly that they would still accept a POA
from a named applicant, even though that applicant no longer
owns the patent.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>There should be one master form (or
document they\u2019d accept) that says, \u201cI\u2019m the new owner of the
patent/patent application. Here\u2019s the reel/frame of the
recorded assignment. I am now the applicant/patentee (I
understand no change will be made to the issued patent
without certificate of correction). I appoint this
attorney, please send them documents and accept documents
filed by them on my behalf.\u201d
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Rant over, I\u2019ll post an update if I
find out more from OPLA. I hope everyone has a nice
weekend!
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Best regards,</span><span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Katherine</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dr. Katherine Koenig</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Randall Svihla
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com"><rsvihla@nsiplaw.com></a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 26, 2025 12:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for
laypersons to seek legal advice.
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a>; Katherine
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<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Patentpractice] POA and
correspondence/maintenance fee address change after
issuance</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hi, Katherine</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>You can't change the applicant after
the patent has issued. Changing the applicant under 37 CFR
1.46(c)(2) requires you to file a new Application Data Sheet
listing the new applicant, but you can't file a new ADS
after the Issue Fee has been paid pursuant to 37 CFR
1.46(c)(1), which states as follows:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>(c)
<i>Correcting and updating an application data sheet.</i></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>(1) Information in a previously
submitted application data sheet, inventor\u2019s oath or
declaration under § 1.63, § 1.64 or § 1.67, or otherwise of
record, may be corrected or updated <u>until payment of the
issue fee</u> by a new application data sheet providing
corrected or updated information, except that inventorship
changes must comply with the requirements of § 1.48, foreign
priority and domestic benefit information changes must
comply with §§1.55 and 1.78, and correspondence address
changes are governed by § 1.33(a).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Call the Office of Patent Legal
Administration at 571-272-7701 and ask them what to do.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Best regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Randall S. Svihla</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Patentpractice <<a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] POA and
correspondence/maintenance fee address change after issuance</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Did you record the inventor ->
company assignment first?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Once you've done that, THEN you need
--</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> -- change of applicant (that's
the thing that's missing from your list above)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> -- the other things in your list
(you probably don't need "change of correspondence
address" -- presumably the Power of Attorney is in favor
of a customer number and the CN has a correspondence
address)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Remember what "applicant" is under
post-AIA law -- the one and only person that the PTO is
to take orders from. The PTO's CYA has to be "we don't
pay no attention to nobody else, just 'applicant.'". If
you didn't change "applicant" then a Power of Attorney
from the company looks like instructions from the far
side of the moon.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I know the patent is issued, so
"applicant" ceases to have any meaning. The party that
matters is "assignee." But you're dealing with clerks.
Just play the game under the clerks' rules. This is a
case to just let the law go -- the stupidity has a
zero-down-side work around.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Sep 26, 2025 at 11:50\u202fAM David
Boundy <<a href="mailto:DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Did you record the inventor ->
company assignment first?</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Once you've done that, THEN you
need --</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> -- change of applicant (that's
the thing that's missing from your list above)</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> -- the other things in your
list (you probably don't need "change of
correspondence address" -- presumably the Power of
Attorney is in favor of a customer number and the CN
has a correspondence address)</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Remember what "applicant" is under
post-AIA law -- the one and only person that the PTO
is to take orders from. The PTO's CYA has to be "we
don't pay no attention to nobody else, just
'applicant.'". If you didn't change "applicant" then
a Power of Attorney from the company looks like
instructions from the far side of the moon.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Sep 26, 2025 at 11:35\u202fAM
Katherine Koenig via Patentpractice <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal">Happy Friday everyone,
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I\u2019m hoping someone can give
me a checklist of exactly which documents I need
to file to have my customer number associated
with an issued patent that my client has
acquired (after issuance) so it\u2019s visible in my
Patent Center workbench and so I receive
post-issuance communications.
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Patent issued in name of
individual
<span>ā</span> individual assigned to my client,
\u201cCompany\u201d (after issuance)
<span>ā</span> client asked me handle the case
moving forward. Receiving maintenance fee
correspondence is really all I need to
accomplish, but I would also like to be listed
as the attorney of record. I want to be able to
search for this patent in my Patent Center
workbench and have it appear, instead of
requiring me to do a general search in Patent
Center.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Below is the list of
documents I filed, but they were rejected
because the person attempting to chance the POA
isn\u2019t the applicant of record.
</p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal">
POA (PTO/AIA81A) signed by Company</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">
Copy of the Assignment Notice of Recordation
from individual <span>
ā</span> Company</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">
3.73 Statement (signed by me as
representative)</li>
<li class="MsoNormal">
\u201cFee Address\u201d Indication Form (PTO/AIA/47)
(signed by me as representative) </li>
<li class="MsoNormal">
Change of Correspondence Address (Patent)
(PTO/AIA/123) (signed by me as representative)
</li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">AAU sent me to the
Maintenance Fee Branch, which sent me back to
AAU. AAU first said I needed a Corrected ADS
(wrong, patent had already issued) and then said
I needed a certificate of correction (wrong, I
don\u2019t need to correct anything on the patent).
Maintenance Fee Branch told me I need POA from
the applicant (patentee) to change
correspondence/maintenance fee addresses.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Was my mistake filing the POA
and 3.73? Should I have just filed the AIA/47
and AIA/123? Timothy (and others), thank you
for your advice about simply refiling the same
documents I\u2019d already filed (and maybe that\u2019s
what I\u2019ll end up doing). I\u2019d like to avoid this
issue in the future by filing exactly what will
be accepted so my clients don\u2019t think I need
early retirement
<span>\U0001f60a</span> </p>
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