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<p>Thank you Randall for posting. This is very helpful.</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/26/2025 1:38 PM, Randall Svihla
via Patentpractice wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hi, Katherine</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>37 CFR 1.32(b) states as follows:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<span>(b) A power of attorney must:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<span>(1) Be in writing;</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<span>(2) Name one or more representatives in compliance with
paragraph (c) of this section;</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<span>(3) Give the representative power to act on behalf of
the principal; and</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>(4) Be signed by the applicant for
patent (§1.42) or the patent owner. <span> </span><u>A
patent owner who was not the applicant under § 1.46 must
appoint any power of attorney in compliance with §§ 3.71
and 3.73 of this chapter.</u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>It seems to me that you complied with
the above requirements, so the change of POA was improperly
denied.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Randall S. Svihla</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>NSIP Law</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Washington, D.C.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span>
Katherine Koenig <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:katherine@koenigipworks.com"><katherine@koenigipworks.com></a> <br>
<b><span>Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 26, 2025
3:26 PM<br>
<b><span>To:</span></b> David Boundy
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com"><DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com></a><br>
<b><span>Cc:</span></b> Randall Svihla
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com"><rsvihla@nsiplaw.com></a>; For patent practitioners.
This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b><span>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Patentpractice] POA
and correspondence/maintenance fee address change after
issuance</span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>David,
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>In theory that would solve the
problem, but I really don\u2019t want a POA from the inventor.
He\u2019s not my client and I don\u2019t think the USPTO should
require it.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Carl, I agree with everything you
said about how nuts it would be to require a POA from the
applicant (who no longer owns the patent) and not accept a
POA from the assignee.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Best regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Katherine</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dr. Katherine Koenig</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span>Registered Patent Attorney</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Koenig IP Works, PLLC</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>2208 Mariner Dr.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Fort Lauderdale, FL 33316</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>(954) 903-1699</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><a
href="mailto:katherine@koenigipworks.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">katherine@koenigipworks.com</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span> David
Boundy <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com"><DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com></a> <br>
<b><span>Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 26, 2025 3:21
PM<br>
<b><span>To:</span></b> Katherine Koenig
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:katherine@koenigipworks.com"><katherine@koenigipworks.com></a><br>
<b><span>Cc:</span></b> Randall Svihla
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com"><rsvihla@nsiplaw.com></a>; For patent practitioners.
This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a>; David Boundy
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com"><DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com></a><br>
<b><span>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Patentpractice] POA and
correspondence/maintenance fee address change after
issuance</span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>So get one paper that is a Power of
Attorney frm both inventor and company. Two signatures at
teh bottom -- inventor as applicant, company as assignee.</span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On Fri, Sep 26, 2025 at 2:51</span><span>\u202f</span>PM
Katherine Koenig <<a
href="mailto:katherine@koenigipworks.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">katherine@koenigipworks.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thank you, Randall. I
think calling OPLA is a good suggestion.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>David, I see your point
about who the PTO will take instructions from, but
it was my understanding \u2013 as Randall notes \u2013 that
you can\u2019t update Applicant by corrected ADS after
the patent issues. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>We did record the
assignment before filing the POA, and even
submitted the POA with the 3.73 statement and a
copy of the Assignment Notice of Recordation to
prove the change in ownership. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I\u2019m stuck: they won\u2019t
accept me as attorney unless I have POA from the
applicant
</span><span>ā</span> I don\u2019t represent the original
applicant and they won\u2019t accept POA from the owner
because the owner isn\u2019t the applicant
<span>ā</span> can\u2019t change applicant after issuance
<span>ā</span> can\u2019t get POA from applicant
<span>ā</span> won\u2019t accept POA I have.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I don\u2019t know why they make
it so hard. It seems silly that they would still
accept a POA from a named applicant, even though
that applicant no longer owns the patent. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>There should be one master
form (or document they\u2019d accept) that says, \u201cI\u2019m
the new owner of the patent/patent application.
Here\u2019s the reel/frame of the recorded assignment.
I am now the applicant/patentee (I understand no
change will be made to the issued patent without
certificate of correction). I appoint this
attorney, please send them documents and accept
documents filed by them on my behalf.\u201d </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Rant over, I\u2019ll post an
update if I find out more from OPLA. I hope
everyone has a nice weekend!
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Best regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Katherine</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dr. Katherine Koenig</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span>Registered Patent
Attorney</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Koenig IP Works, PLLC</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>2208 Mariner Dr.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Fort Lauderdale, FL 33316</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>(954) 903-1699</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><a
href="mailto:katherine@koenigipworks.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">katherine@koenigipworks.com</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b>
Randall Svihla <<a
href="mailto:rsvihla@nsiplaw.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">rsvihla@nsiplaw.com</a>>
<br>
<b><span>Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 26,
2025 12:21 PM<br>
<b><span>To:</span></b> For patent
practitioners. This is not for laypersons to
seek legal advice. <<a
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>;
Katherine Koenig <<a
href="mailto:katherine@koenigipworks.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">katherine@koenigipworks.com</a>><br>
<b><span>Cc:</span></b> David Boundy <<a
href="mailto:DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com</a>>;
Katherine Koenig <<a
href="mailto:katherine@koenigipworks.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">katherine@koenigipworks.com</a>><br>
<b><span>Subject:</span></b> RE:
[Patentpractice] POA and
correspondence/maintenance fee address change
after issuance</p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hi, Katherine</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>You can't change the
applicant after the patent has issued. Changing
the applicant under 37 CFR 1.46(c)(2) requires you
to file a new Application Data Sheet listing the
new applicant, but you can't file a new ADS after
the Issue Fee has been paid pursuant to 37 CFR
1.46(c)(1), which states as follows:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<span>(c)
<i><span>Correcting and updating an application
data sheet.</span></i></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<span>(1) Information in a previously submitted
application data sheet, inventor\u2019s oath or
declaration under § 1.63, § 1.64 or § 1.67, or
otherwise of record, may be corrected or updated <u>until
payment of the issue fee</u> by a new
application data sheet providing corrected or
updated information, except that inventorship
changes must comply with the requirements of §
1.48, foreign priority and domestic benefit
information changes must comply with §§1.55 and
1.78, and correspondence address changes are
governed by § 1.33(a).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Call the Office of Patent
Legal Administration at 571-272-7701 and ask them
what to do.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Best regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Randall S. Svihla</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>NSIP Law</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Washington, D.C.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b>
Patentpractice <<a
href="mailto:patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
<b><span>On Behalf Of </span></b>David Boundy via
Patentpractice<br>
<b><span>Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 26,
2025 11:55 AM<br>
<b><span>To:</span></b> Katherine Koenig <<a
href="mailto:katherine@koenigipworks.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">katherine@koenigipworks.com</a>><br>
<b><span>Cc:</span></b> David Boundy <<a
href="mailto:DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com</a>>;
For patent practitioners. This is not for
laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b><span>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Patentpractice]
POA and correspondence/maintenance fee address
change after issuance</p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Did you record the
inventor -> company assignment first?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Once you've done
that, THEN you need --</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> -- change of
applicant (that's the thing that's missing
from your list above)</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> -- the other
things in your list (you probably don't need
"change of correspondence address" --
presumably the Power of Attorney is in favor
of a customer number and the CN has a
correspondence address)</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Remember what
"applicant" is under post-AIA law -- the one
and only person that the PTO is to take
orders from. The PTO's CYA has to be "we
don't pay no attention to nobody else, just
'applicant.'". If you didn't change
"applicant" then a Power of Attorney from
the company looks like instructions from the
far side of the moon.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I know the patent is
issued, so "applicant" ceases to have any
meaning. The party that matters is
"assignee." But you're dealing with
clerks. Just play the game under the
clerks' rules. This is a case to just let
the law go -- the stupidity has a
zero-down-side work around.</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On Fri, Sep 26, 2025 at
11:50</span><span>\u202f</span>AM David Boundy <<a
href="mailto:DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Did you record the
inventor -> company assignment first?</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Once you've done
that, THEN you need --</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> -- change of
applicant (that's the thing that's missing
from your list above)</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> -- the other
things in your list (you probably don't
need "change of correspondence address" --
presumably the Power of Attorney is in
favor of a customer number and the CN has
a correspondence address)</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Remember what
"applicant" is under post-AIA law -- the
one and only person that the PTO is to
take orders from. The PTO's CYA has to be
"we don't pay no attention to nobody else,
just 'applicant.'". If you didn't change
"applicant" then a Power of Attorney from
the company looks like instructions from
the far side of the moon.</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>On Fri, Sep 26,
2025 at 11:35</span><span>\u202f</span>AM
Katherine Koenig via Patentpractice <<a
href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
wrote:</p>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Happy Friday
everyone,
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I\u2019m hoping
someone can give me a checklist of
exactly which documents I need to
file to have my customer number
associated with an issued patent
that my client has acquired (after
issuance) so it\u2019s visible in my
Patent Center workbench and so I
receive post-issuance
communications.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Patent issued
in name of individual
</span><span>ā</span> individual
assigned to my client, \u201cCompany\u201d
(after issuance)
<span>ā</span> client asked me handle
the case moving forward. Receiving
maintenance fee correspondence is
really all I need to accomplish, but I
would also like to be listed as the
attorney of record. I want to be able
to search for this patent in my Patent
Center workbench and have it appear,
instead of requiring me to do a
general search in Patent Center.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Below is the
list of documents I filed, but they
were rejected because the person
attempting to chance the POA isn\u2019t
the applicant of record. </span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal">
<span>POA (PTO/AIA81A) signed by
Company</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal">
<span>Copy of the Assignment Notice
of Recordation from individual
</span><span>ā</span><span> Company</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal">
<span>3.73 Statement (signed by me
as representative)</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal">
<span>\u201cFee Address\u201d Indication Form
(PTO/AIA/47) (signed by me as
representative)
</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal">
<span>Change of Correspondence
Address (Patent) (PTO/AIA/123)
(signed by me as representative)
</span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>AAU sent me
to the Maintenance Fee Branch, which
sent me back to AAU. AAU first said
I needed a Corrected ADS (wrong,
patent had already issued) and then
said I needed a certificate of
correction (wrong, I don\u2019t need to
correct anything on the patent).
Maintenance Fee Branch told me I
need POA from the applicant
(patentee) to change
correspondence/maintenance fee
addresses.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Was my
mistake filing the POA and 3.73?
Should I have just filed the AIA/47
and AIA/123? Timothy (and others),
thank you for your advice about
simply refiling the same documents
I\u2019d already filed (and maybe that\u2019s
what I\u2019ll end up doing). I\u2019d like
to avoid this issue in the future by
filing exactly what will be accepted
so my clients don\u2019t think I need
early retirement
</span><span>\U0001f60a</span>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Best regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Katherine</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dr. Katherine
Koenig</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span>Registered
Patent Attorney</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Koenig IP
Works, PLLC</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>2208 Mariner
Dr.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Fort
Lauderdale, FL 33316</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>(954)
903-1699</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><a
href="mailto:katherine@koenigipworks.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">katherine@koenigipworks.com</a></span></p>
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