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<div dir="ltr"><font face="serif" style="text-decoration: none; line-height: 1.5; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Bill,</font><span style="text-decoration: none; display: inline !important; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></span>
<div style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="serif" style="line-height:1.5">Under your fact pattern of original priority date longer than six years ago, and regardless of the filing route you choose, your filing of continuation now will
be <i><b>presumed</b></i> prosecution conduct with "unreasonable and unexplained delay" and therefore subject to PTO laches rejection even on the first action. </font></div>
<div style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="serif" style="line-height:1.5">This six-year presumption of prosecution laches was recently introduced by the Federal Circuit, which stated: we have held that a delay of more than six years
raises a presumption that it is unreasonable, inexcusable, and prejudicial. <i>Hyatt v. Hirshfeld</i>, 998 F.3d 1347, 1369 (Fed. Cir. 2021). The Court even extended the presumption to the existence of intervening rights, explaining that "an unreasonable
and unexplained prosecution delay of six years or more raises a presumption of prejudice, including intervening rights." <i>Id.</i> at 1370.</font></div>
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<div style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="serif" style="line-height:1.5">My study shows that 8.6% of all utility patents issued in the last two months have priority longer than 6 years -- priority date earlier than August 1, 2019. Kate
Gaudrys studies show that under this Federal Circuit presumption, more than one-third of patents on the top pharmaceuticals, and 18% of all patents issued from continuing applications, are now <i><b>presumed unenforceable</b>. </i><i>See</i> her articles
on the impacts of such decision in <i>IPWatchdog</i> on <a href="https://ipwatchdog.com/2023/02/06/hyatt-v-hirshfeld-mean-one-third-patents-top-pharmaceuticals-presumed-invalid/id=156151/" data-outlook-id="92a08d80-e85f-40a6-8877-cabcef45f7a6" data-linkindex="0" style="color: rgb(0, 134, 240);">February
6, 2023</a>, and on <a href="https://ipwatchdog.com/2021/07/18/5-u-s-issued-patents-presumed-unenforceable-laches-due-priority-claims/id=135609/" data-outlook-id="76c7a4c3-1077-41f0-9bf5-58fb9d4a5783" data-linkindex="1" style="color: rgb(0, 134, 240);">July
18, 2021</a>.</font></div>
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<div style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="serif" style="line-height:1.5">I am working on an <i>amicus</i> brief on behalf of IEEE-USA in support of rehearing <i>en banc</i> to vacate this decision. Any of you interested in the legal
and equitable issues involved, or know of organizations that would be willing to sign on an <i>amicus</i> brief, are welcome to contact me by the email below. </font></div>
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<div style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><font face="serif" style="line-height:1.5">Thanks, </font></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 5, 2025 11:48:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> For patent practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com>; Randall Svihla <rsvihla@nsiplaw.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> William Ahmed <ahmed.william@ymail.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] clever way to avoid $4000 USPTO fee for "9-year-old-old benefit claim" -file it as a PCT --> would this work ??? or is it to dangerous ??</font>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Yes but that is 30 months from now. $3,000 to postpone a $6,000 fee [plus prosecution costs - they already have all the grants they wants] seems cheap IF this works.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Could someone complain about prosecution latches because of this strategy? I suppose I could reduce the chance of that by filing the PCT with an early publication request, so that noone can complain about a 'submarine patent'</div>
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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">THOUGHTS? Would this work???</div>
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<p class="x_yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:sans-serif">Setting aside everything else, you are still going to have to pay that $4,000 fee when you enter the national state with that ADS adding the
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [Patentpractice] clever way to avoid $4000 USPTO fee for "9-year-old-old benefit claim" -file it as a PCT --> would this work ??? or is it to dangerous ??</span></p>
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<p class="x_yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:sans-serif">I have an allowed US non-provisional patent application where the oldest benefit claim is from May 2016.</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:sans-serif">The client wants to file a continuation to 'keep something alive' - there is no other reason for now to submit the CON.</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:sans-serif">The client also believes that investors would prefer a portfolio where the US grants have a CON alive.</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:sans-serif">$4,000 for "Filing an application or presentation of benefit claim more than nine years after earliest benefit date"</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:sans-serif">PROPOSED SOLUTION -- file the CON as a PCT</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:sans-serif">On the other hand, if we file this continuation in the PCT, the fees now would only be around $3,000, especially if we request a search</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:sans-serif">The search report would be 'negative' but "who cares."</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:sans-serif">This PCT would have no Paris convention claim, so it would have a lifespan of 30 months - keeping it alive for 2.5 years for only $3,000
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<p class="x_yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:sans-serif">When the PCT enters into the US national phase, I would submit an ADS with many many many benefit claims [the allowed application is a
CON of a CON of a CON of a 371 of a PCT]. This ADS adding MULTIPLE benefit claims [of multiple generations] would need to be submitted within 4 months of national phase entry.</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:sans-serif">MY QUESTION --> this seems too good to be true. Could something go wrong?</span></font></p>
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<p class="x_yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:sans-serif">Many thanks,</span></font></p>
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