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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Yes but that is 30 months from now. $3,000 to postpone a $6,000 fee [plus prosecution costs - they already have all the grants they wants] seems cheap IF this works.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Could someone complain about prosecution latches because of this strategy? I suppose I could reduce the chance of that by filing the PCT with an early publication request, so that noone can complain about a 'submarine patent'</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">THOUGHTS? Would this work???</div><div><br></div>
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On Sunday, October 5, 2025 at 09:44:48 PM GMT+3, Randall Svihla <rsvihla@nsiplaw.com> wrote:
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<p class="yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Setting aside everything else, you are still going to have to pay that
$4,000 fee when you enter the national state with that ADS adding the benefit claims.</span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-weight:bold;">From:</span></font></b><span style=""> Patentpractice <patentpractice-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>William Ahmed via Patentpractice<br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, October 5, 2025 2:31 PM<br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> For Patent Practitioners. This Is Not for Laypersons To Seek Legal Advice. <patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com><br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> William Ahmed <ahmed.william@ymail.com><br clear="none">
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Patentpractice] clever way to avoid $4000 USPTO fee for "9-year-old-old benefit claim" -file it as a PCT --> would this work ??? or is it to dangerous ??</span></p>
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<p class="yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Dear All,</span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">I have an allowed US non-provisional patent application where the oldest benefit claim is from May
2016.</span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">The client wants to file a continuation to 'keep something alive' - there is no other reason for
now to submit the CON.</span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">The client also believes that investors would prefer a portfolio where the US grants have a CON
alive.</span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">THE PROBLEM</span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Since the client is a large entity, the filing fees would be approximately $6,000 since we would
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<p class="yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">$4,000 for "Filing an application or presentation of benefit claim more than nine years after earliest
benefit date"</span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">$6,000 is a lot of money.</span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">PROPOSED SOLUTION -- file the CON as a PCT</span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">On the other hand, if we file this continuation in the PCT, the fees now would only be around $3,000,
especially if we request a search</span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">in Philippines [</span></font><font size="2" color="#1b1b1b" face="Segoe UI"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#1B1B1B;"> (IPOPHL)</span></font><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">]
or in KIPO.</span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">The search report would be 'negative' but "who cares."</span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">This PCT would have no Paris convention claim, so it would have a lifespan of 30 months - keeping
it alive for 2.5 years for only $3,000 in fees is great.</span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">POTENTIAL PROBLEM --> </span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">When the PCT enters into the US national phase, I would submit an ADS with many many many benefit
claims [the allowed application is a CON of a CON of a CON of a 371 of a PCT]. This ADS adding MULTIPLE benefit claims [of multiple generations] would need to be submitted within 4 months of national phase entry.</span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">MY QUESTION --> this seems too good to be true. Could something go wrong?</span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Many thanks,</span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv0571242238MsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Bill</span></font></p>
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