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<p>Is there a reason we need a patent office to do this if we can
just do it beforehand? Unless the patent office is willing to
'stick to it' I think their help is minimal compared to running a
search using a tool like Moat Metrics or IPRally.</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/8/2025 12:29 PM, Rick Neifeld via
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<div>But we are talking about the USPTO. They have rarely
listened to us. WIPO might be a different story.</div>
<div>Wouldn't it be nice to get an AI generated advance search
report upon filing a PCT application, in order to get the ball
rolling on claim amendments and advice to clients?</div>
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<div>Suzannah - Generally, brilliant!</div>
<div>Why charge a fee? AI searches and automated reporting
via email of ASRN's costs virtually nothing. No basis for
a government fee other than profiteering.</div>
<div>Wy wait 6 months?
AI searches and automated reporting via email of ASRN's
takes minimal time and as soon as a provisional
application in a form interpretable by the PTO servers is
on file. Normally, within a few minutes of filing.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at
1:09\u202fPM Suzannah K. Sundby via Patentpractice <<a href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">The USPTO should
instead make the AI search an added benefit of
filing US
<span>provisionals</span>\u2026 e.g., pay an
additional 200-400 USD at the time of filing
the provisional and receive the AI search
results at the
<span>6 month</span> date\u2026 whereby the
applicant can then use such to determine
whether they want to file a Utility/PCT.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">In fact, I think
such a benefit would increase US provisional
filings by foreign applicants\u2026 if the AI
search cost is less than the minimum fee for a
simple 3<sup>rd</sup> party prior art search\u2026
which last I checked, the min runs around
600-800 USD.</span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Patentpractice] USPTO
launches new AI Pilot for pre-examination
utility application search</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">First impression:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Do we know if this
search tool is any good? </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If so, in which
technologies?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If not, why would I want
to pay the cost of preparing a patent
application and filing it as a US a
non-provisional to get the search done?
Especially since this new program will
require a petition and fee under rule 1.182?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Furthermore, who wants to
pay the cost of filing a US non-provisional
patent application and only THEN do a search
(and have to petition for the search to
boot)? If the tool exists, why can't they
make it available to everyone BEFORE
filing? </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If you're in a tech area
where maximizing patent term matters (like
pharma), why start the clock for the 20 year
patent term, if the search results might
indicate to the applicant that more lab
research is warranted? Especially since the
FR notice says, "The USPTO will not render a
decision on the petition until the
application has completed pre-examination
processing", which, with current wait times,
means you could be closer to the end of the
priority year than the beginning of it
before you're even accepted into the
program. Even if more labwork isn't
warranted, in order to preserve full 20
years in the USA, in parallel to filing the
US non-provisional for the AI search, on the
same day I'd need to file the application as
a provisional as well, and then possibly
abandon the non-provisional.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Why not make the search
tool available for provisional applications?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Will applications for
which the petition is accepted be subject to
restriction before the search is conducted,
or will the AI thing not care? The FR notice
doesn't say.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Seems to me that for
applicants/inventors from outside the USA,
there are more attractive options available.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dan</p>
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5:57<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">\u202f</span>PM U.S. Patent
and Trademark Office <<a href="mailto:subscriptioncenter@subscriptions.uspto.gov" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">subscriptioncenter@subscriptions.uspto.gov</a>>
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<span style="font-size:16.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">USPTO
launches new
AI Pilot for
pre-examination
utility
application
search</span></h2>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">ALEXANDRIA,
VA\u2014In
furtherance of
the U.S.
Patent and
Trademark
Office\u2019s
(USPTO)
steadfast
commitment to
dramatically
improve
examination
quality,
response time,
and
efficiency,
the agency
today
announced the
launch of its
Artificial
Intelligence
Search
Automated
Pilot (ASAP!)
Program. The
ASAP! Program
will test the
USPTO\u2019s
internal
artificial
intelligence
(AI) tool\u2019s
efficacy for
conducting pre-examination
prior art
searches. </span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:11.25pt;margin-left:0in">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">\u201cTo
the Senate
Judiciary
Committee and
inventors of
all stripes, I
promised to
\u2018lean-in\u2019 to
AI,\u201d said John
A. Squires,
Under
Secretary of
Commerce for
Intellectual
Property and
Director of
the USPTO.
\u201cOur ASAP!
announcement
today is the
first of many
planned AI
pilots
designed to
help examiners
and applicants
alike ensure
their patents
are born
strong.
Quality starts
at filing\u2014and
our
enterprising
examiners have
developed a
cadre of new
tools that
re-imagine
workflows and
attack thorny
chokepoints
that constrain
productivity,
throughput,
and ultimately
quality for
new
applicants.
ASAP! is
intended to
foster common
ground in the
first
instance. This
is us
leaning-in.
Watch this
space.\u201d</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The
new pilot will
provide
applicants
with an
initial
communication
identifying a
\u201ctop ten
list\u201d of
potential
prior art
issues in need
of attention.
By generating
an AI-Assisted
Search Results
Notice (ASRN),
ASAP! will
afford
applicants an
early
opportunity to
assess their
claims against
the prior art
before
substantive
examination.
Indeed, the
pilot will
look to inform
applicants of
potential
courses of
first action
responses such
as: </span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Marshaling
evidence for
affidavit
practice and
notice taken
by the USPTO;</span></li>
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deferral; or</span></li>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Filing
petitions,
including
express
abandonment,
to seek a
refund of
certain fees
if examination
is no longer
desired. </span></li>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The
USPTO will
conduct its
automated
search using
an internal AI
system that
derives
contextual
information
from the
classification
of the
application
under the
Cooperative
Patent
Classification
(CPC) system,
as well as
from the
specification,
claims, and
abstract of
the
application. </span></p>
<p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:11.25pt;margin-left:0in">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The
USPTO will
utilize the
pilot results
to assess
outcomes for
pre-examination
searches,
evaluate the
scalability of
generating the
ASRN, and
collect data
to inform next
steps and
companion
pilots. To
participate in
ASAP!,
applicants
will be
required to
file a
specific
petition
accompanied by
a petition
fee.</span></p>
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more
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