<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>This is in response to Carl Oppedahl's suggestion that my withdrawn case problem may have been averted if I filed this case at the RO/IB with ePCT. I didn't do that - I filed at the RO/US with an ePCT zip file. </div><div><br></div><div>I had a problem earlier this year in another case filed at the RO/IB and electing the ISA/US. First of all, I frequently recommend the ISA/US with small entity clients because the search fee is lower with small entity prices. The problem was that the ISA/US made a unity of invention objection and issued an invitation to pay an additional search fee. The client was OK with this, but this case did not appear on Patent Center/EFSweb/Private PAIR - because it was filed at RO/IB. We had to pay the fee with a credit card form that was faxed, which is really ridiculous. Putting full credit card info on a paper and faxing it is not secure. The fee payment form was clearly marked with what the money was for - the additional search fees. </div><div><br></div><div>But the people who do the searching didn't get the message that the additional fees were paid and issued the WOSA without searching the second invention. Bottom line - this bad WOSA was issued in March 2023 and as of today (Nov. 21, 2023) this situation is still not resolved. </div><div><br></div><div>So now I am back to filing the ePCT zip files at the US/RO if we are going to use the ISA/US. </div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#222222">Andrew H. Berks, Ph.D., J.D.</font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#222222">Partner, Fresh IP PLC</font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#222222">New York, New York 10004 (US)</font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#222222"><a href="mailto:andrew@freship.com" target="_blank">andrew@freship.com</a></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#222222">Voice/text: +1-845-558-7245<a href="http://voice.google.com/calls?a=nc,%2B18455587245" rel="noopener" title="Call +1 845-558-7245 via Google Voice" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://voice.google.com/calls?a=nc,%2B18455587245" rel="noopener" title="Call +1 845-558-7245 via Google Voice" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://voice.google.com/calls?a=nc,%2B18455587245" rel="noopener" title="Call +1 845-558-7245 via Google Voice" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://voice.google.com/calls?a=nc,%2B18455587245" rel="noopener" title="Call +1 845-558-7245 via Google Voice" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://voice.google.com/calls?a=nc,%2B18455587245" rel="noopener" title="Call +1 845-558-7245 via Google Voice" target="_blank"></a></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#222222">Toll free: +1-866-913-3499<a href="http://voice.google.com/calls?a=nc,%2B18669133499" rel="noopener" title="Call +1 866-913-3499 via Google Voice" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://voice.google.com/calls?a=nc,%2B18669133499" rel="noopener" title="Call +1 866-913-3499 via Google Voice" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://voice.google.com/calls?a=nc,%2B18669133499" rel="noopener" title="Call +1 866-913-3499 via Google Voice" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://voice.google.com/calls?a=nc,%2B18669133499" rel="noopener" title="Call +1 866-913-3499 via Google Voice" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://voice.google.com/calls?a=nc,%2B18669133499" rel="noopener" title="Call +1 866-913-3499 via Google Voice" target="_blank"></a></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#222222">Mailing address: 11710 Plaza America Drive Suite 2000, Reston, VA 20190 (US)</font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://freship.com/" target="_blank">freship.com</a>, <a href="https://berksiplaw.com/" target="_blank">berksiplaw.com</a> <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/andyberks/" target="_blank">LinkedIn </a></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Carl Oppedahl</strong> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:carl@oppedahl.com">carl@oppedahl.com</a>></span><br>Date: Fri, Nov 17, 2023 at 9:19 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Pct] PCT Procedure Warning - I learned the hard way<br>To: For users of the PCT and ePCT. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice. <<a href="mailto:pct@oppedahl-lists.com">pct@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br></div><br><br><u></u>
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<p>I bet this would never have gone wrong if the case had been filed
at the RO/IB via ePCT.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I just found out the hard way that if a Receiving
Office (RO) issues a declaration under PCT Art. 14(3) that a
PCT application is "considered withdrawn" for insufficient
payment of fees, there is no way to revive the case. Nothing
in the PCT Treaty or Rules allows a reversal of this
declaration. See Rule 16bis.1(c).<br>
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