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<p>In India, for example, this has been successfully tested
apparently: <a href="https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=6209b0dd-ca39-4a34-9d06-88ac115f4cd8">Patents
- Declaration under PCT Regulation 4.17(ii) is sufficient for
‘proof of right’ - Lexology</a></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/27/2023 3:19 PM, Timothy Snowden
via Pct wrote:<br>
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<p>Rule 4.17 states that "<br>
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<p class="level_1" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 16px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; max-width: 45em; font-weight: 400; text-indent: 20px; color: rgb(57, 57, 57); font-family: "Noto Sans Display", "Noto Sans", Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(252, 252, 252); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">The
request may, for the purposes of the national law applicable in
one or more designated States, contain one or more of the
following declarations, worded as prescribed by the
Administrative Instructions: ... <br>
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<p class="level_2" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 16px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; max-width: 45em; font-weight: 400; text-indent: 40px; color: rgb(57, 57, 57); font-family: "Noto Sans Display", "Noto Sans", Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(252, 252, 252); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">(iii) a
declaration as to the applicant’s entitlement, as at the
international filing date, to claim priority of the earlier
application, as referred to in<span> </span><a href="https://www.wipo.int/pct/en/texts/rules/r51bis.html#_51bis_1_a_iii" target="_self" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 89, 198);" moz-do-not-send="true">Rule 51<em style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">bis</em>.1(a)(iii)</a>;"</p>
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<p>Going to Rule 51.bis.1(a)(iii) reveals (underlining added for
emphasis) that "<span style="color: rgb(57, 57, 57); font-family: "Noto Sans Display", "Noto Sans", Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 20px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(252, 252, 252); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">(a)
<u>Subject to<span> </span></u></span><a href="https://www.wipo.int/pct/en/texts/rules/r51bis.html#_51bis_2" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px none; color: rgb(0, 89, 198); font-family: "Noto Sans Display", "Noto Sans", Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 20px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(252, 252, 252);" moz-do-not-send="true">Rule 51<em style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">bis</em>.2</a><span style="color: rgb(57, 57, 57); font-family: "Noto Sans Display", "Noto Sans", Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-lig
atures: normal; font-vari
ant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 20px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(252, 252, 252); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">,
the national law applicable by the designated Office may, in
accordance with<span> </span></span><a href="https://www.wipo.int/pct/en/texts/articles/a27.html" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 89, 198); font-family: "Noto Sans Display", "Noto Sans", Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 20px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(252, 252, 252);" moz-do-not-send="true">Article 27</a><span style="color: rgb(57, 57, 57); font-family: "Noto Sans Display", "Noto Sans", Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weigh
t: 400; letter-spacing: n
ormal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 20px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(252, 252, 252); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">,
require the applicant to furnish, in particular: ..."</span></p>
<span style="color: rgb(57, 57, 57); font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 20px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(252, 252, 252); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none; font-size: 16px;">Rule
51.bis.2 states "</span><br>
<p style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 16px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; max-width: 45em; font-weight: 400; color: rgb(57, 57, 57); font-family: "Noto Sans Display", "Noto Sans", Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(252, 252, 252); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">51<em style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">bis</em>.2 <em style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">Certain
Circumstances in Which Documents or Evidence May Not Be
Required</em></p>
<p class="level_1" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 16px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; max-width: 45em; font-weight: 400; text-indent: 20px; color: rgb(57, 57, 57); font-family: "Noto Sans Display", "Noto Sans", Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(252, 252, 252); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><a name="_51bis_2_a" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 89, 198);" moz-do-not-send="true"></a>The designated Office shall not,
unless it may reasonably doubt the veracity of the indications
or declaration concerned, require any document or evidence: ...</p>
<p class="level_1" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px 0px 16px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; max-width: 45em; font-weight: 400; text-indent: 20px; color: rgb(57, 57, 57); font-family: "Noto Sans Display", "Noto Sans", Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(252, 252, 252); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;"><span style="color: rgb(57, 57, 57); font-family: "Noto Sans Display", "Noto Sans", Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: nor
ma
l; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 40px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(252, 252, 252); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">(ii)
relating to the applicant’s entitlement, as at the
international filing date, to apply for and be granted a
patent (</span><a href="https://www.wipo.int/pct/en/texts/rules/r51bis.html#_51bis_1_a_ii" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 89, 198); font-family: "Noto Sans Display", "Noto Sans", Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 40px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(252, 252, 252);" moz-do-not-send="true">Rule 51<em style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">bis</em>.1(a)(ii)</a><span style="color: rgb(57, 57, 57); font-family: "Noto Sans Display", "Noto Sans", Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: norm
al; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 40px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(252, 252, 252); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">),
if a declaration as to that matter, in accordance with<span> </span></span><a href="https://www.wipo.int/pct/en/texts/rules/r4.html#_4_17_ii" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(0, 89, 198); font-family: "Noto Sans Display", "Noto Sans", Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 40px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(252, 252, 252);" moz-do-not-send="true">Rule 4.17(ii)</a><span style="color: rgb(57, 57, 57); font-family: "Noto Sans Display", "Noto Sans", Arial, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: nor
mal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 40px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; background-color: rgb(252, 252, 252); text-decoration-thickness: initial; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">,
is contained in the request or is submitted directly to the
designated Office;"</span></p>
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<p>To respond, I would think you could politely point the patent
office of interest back to your Declaration (they may not have
paid attention to them), and note that these documents were
provided under Rule 51.bis.1(a)(iii), and that no request has
been received from the Office under Rule 51.bis.2, and so the
requirements are satisfied.</p>
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<p>On 11/27/2023 1:03 PM, Carl Oppedahl via Pct wrote:</p>
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filed PCT Rule 4.17 declarations in our PCT regarding the
Applicant’s entitlement to claim priority and to apply for
and be granted a patent in the international application.<o:p></o:p></span>
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that are requesting Deed of Assignment documents to be
notarized and/or legalized. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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the point of filing the Declarations in the PCT to avoid
having to jump through these hoops in the national phase?
What is the proper response to a request for these
documents?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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