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<p>(Migrating to the PCT listserv)</p>
<p>The USPTO has made no secret that it plans eventually to
mission-creep DOCX into every facet of US patent practice. This
will include all preliminary amendments to claims or other
application parts, and to all responses to Office Actions. <br>
</p>
<p>But yes as of right now, there will be no $400 DOCX penalty
imposed for a 371 entry in which the controlling application
document is a PDF.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that well over half of all PCT applications are
published in English. For an entry into the US national phase
from such a PCT, there is no need for the filer to upload <i><b>any
</b></i>PDF application into the USPTO system. The application
comes directly from the IB. So there would not be any $400
penalty imposed on the filer, because what triggers the penalty is
<i><b>the filer </b></i>uploading a PDF. In a 371 case, the
controlling document is a PDF but the filer is not to blame for
it. It was the USPTO (not the filer) who went off to the IB and
obtained the PDF-format patent application.<br>
</p>
<p>But yes, in the special case where the PCT application was
published in a non-English tongue, the US 371 filer does need to
hand in a translation into English. And if you do it in PDF, you
will not incur the $400 penalty. For now. Down the line, I
expect the USPTO will eventually mission-creep the DOCX penalty
into such a filing.<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/4/2024 1:24 PM, Goldberg, Judi via
Patentpractice wrote:<br>
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and after?<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>The USPTO text says “111(a) application”, so maybe
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 4, 2024 2:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rick Neifeld via Patentpractice
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com"><patentpractice@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Carl Oppedahl <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:carl@oppedahl.com"><carl@oppedahl.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Patentpractice] What is the status of
the attempt to stop the DOCX surcharge?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>(Migrating this discussion to Patent Practice listserv.)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I am aware of one listserv member who had been trying to
work up a line of attack. I'd guess that some listserv
members are by now fatigued with all of the time and energy
that had been expended trying to get the USPTO to see sense
about the shutdown of EFS-Web and PAIR, and to try to get
the USPTO to pay attention to the Patent Center bug list and
feature request list, and that had been spent in the past
trying to get the USPTO to see sense about DOCX. Not to
mention the trademark listserv members who have tried to get
the USPTO to see sense about the USPTO's insistence on
forcing applicants to reveal where they sleep at night.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I for one am fatigued almost beyond description. It is so
discouraging how stubborn the USPTO decisionmakers are and
how unwilling they are to engage in anything that remotely
resembles two-way open dialogue.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">On 1/4/2024
9:43 AM, Randall Svihla via Patentcenter wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman"">The
DOCX surcharge is supposed to go into effect on January
17, 2024.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>What is the status of the attempt to stop it?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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S. Svihla</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Law</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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D.C.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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