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<div class="elementToProof"><span style="font-family: "Aptos Serif", Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Yes, that's a good point. There is a lot that hinges on what is meant by "[a]greement between company
dated prior to PCT Application filing date states that PCT application shall be filed in the name of Company B only."</span></div>
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<div class="elementToProof"><span style="font-family: "Aptos Serif", Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">I interpreted the part about company A not being named as meaning company A no longer has any ownership
rights. However, if that is incorrect and company A still has ownership rights separate from being named as the applicant, then I don't know how this should be handled. Also, much will depend on the applicable national law in each country.</span></div>
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<div class="elementToProof"><span style="font-family: "Aptos Serif", Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">At least in the US, it appears that it is not possible to name only one of two applicants having an ownership
interest in an application (from MPEP 605.01(I)):</span></div>
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<div class="elementToProof"><span style="font-family: "Aptos Serif", Aptos_EmbeddedFont, Aptos_MSFontService, serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">If an assignee is filing an application under 37 CFR 1.46, but the
<b><i>assignee is not the assignee of the entire right, title and interest in the application, then the assignee would need to be named as the applicant under 37 CFR 1.46 together with the other party who has an ownership interest</i></b>. For example, if
there are two joint inventors, and one inventor has assigned his rights in the invention to the assignee, but the other inventor has not assigned his rights in the invention and is under no obligation to assign his rights, the assignee and the other inventor
should be identified as the applicant in the applicant information section of the application data sheet. See 37 CFR 3.71. Under the example provided, the assignee would have an undivided interest in the entirety of the one inventor’s interest but would not
be the owner of the entire right, title and interest in the invention. Because of this, the assignee cannot be named as the sole applicant in the application.
<b><i>All parties having any portion of the ownership in the patent must act together as a composite entity in patent matters before the Office</i></b>. See MPEP § 301.</span></div>
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<b>To:</b> 'For users of the PCT and ePCT. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.' <pct@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;">It seems to me that some time ago there was a discussion on these listserves of the need for the Applicant to be the same on the priority document as in the PCT filing. If so, perhaps
that played into the decision to file the PCT in the name of both A and B. As to the “confirmatory assignment,” I don’t see anything in the fact pattern that suggests that an actual assignment took place between A and B: merely an agreement as to who is named
on the applications. Perhaps whatever document that reflects the agreement as between A and B also discusses ownership and rights to the invention. It may be that A remains a co-owner and B merely assigned its rights in the invention, but not the total rights
to the invention.</p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott Nielson via Pct<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Pct] naming the applicant at national/regional entry</p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-family: "Aptos Serif", serif; color: black;">I would create a document called a "confirmatory assignment" from Company A directly to Company C listing the priority
application(s) and the PCT application. I would include a short paragraph referencing the first assignment from A to B and explaining that this new assignment is being executed to further implement the intent of the parties and transfer any potential rights
still remaining in A to C who is the successor in title to B.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-family: "Aptos Serif", serif; color: black;">Once this is done, and assuming you have time, file a request in the international stage to change the applicant to C (you
will need a PCT power of attorney from C). When you file national phase applications, include copies of all the assignments in your filing instructions to regional/national counsel so they can do whatever is necessary, if anything, to make the applicant change
effective in the regional/national office.</span></p>
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<p style="margin: 0in; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"><span style="font-family: "Aptos Serif", serif; color: black;">Alternatively, you might be able to just delete company A from the international application under the theory that it had
no rights in the application and was mistakenly listed. However, the legal effect of listing company A and removing it is unclear and will vary from country to country (e.g., for purposes of the US, I don't think it has any effect).</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: black;">I have a question for the group about naming the applicant at national/regional entry.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: black;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: black;">Here’s the fact pattern:</span></p>
<p><span style="color: black;"> </span></p>
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<li style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; margin: 0in;">
<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black;">Priority Application is filed in name of Company A and Company B.</span></li></ol>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="color: black;"> </span></p>
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<li style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; margin: 0in;">
<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black;">PCT Application filed in name of Company A and Company B.</span></li></ol>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="color: black;"> </span></p>
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<li style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; margin: 0in;">
<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black;">Agreement between company dated prior to PCT Application filing date states that PCT application shall be filed in the name of Company B only.</span></li></ol>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="color: black;"> </span></p>
<ol start="4" data-listchain="__List_Chain_464" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in; list-style-type: decimal;">
<li style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; margin: 0in;">
<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black;">Same Agreement between Company A and Company B states that national/regional stage applications are to be filed in the name of Company B; Company B will own all applications/issued
patents.</span></li></ol>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="color: black;"> </span></p>
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<li style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; margin: 0in;">
<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black;">Company B converted from a CORP to an LLC and changed its name to Company B LLC.</span></li></ol>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="color: black;"> </span></p>
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<li style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; margin: 0in;">
<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black;">Company B LLC assigned its rights to Company C.</span></li></ol>
<p style="margin-left: 0.5in;"><span style="color: black;"> </span></p>
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<li style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black; margin: 0in;">
<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: black;">So, it seems that Company A should not have been an Applicant on the PCT Application at all.</span></li></ol>
<p><span style="color: black;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: black;">I would like to file all national/regional stage applications in the name of Company C.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: black;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: black;">Can this be done?</span></p>
<p><span style="color: black;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: black;">If so, how best do I accomplish this task?</span></p>
<p><span style="color: black;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: black;">Please consider the situation</span><span style="color: red;"><b>s</b></span><span style="color: black;"> where the Agreement between Company A and Company B is (1) has a clear assignment of priority rights under Paris, or (2)
is completely silent on priority rights,.</span></p>
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