<div dir="ltr">Ah. That makes sense, and it's a tangible benefit -- pay for translation of one set of claims instead of two.<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 5:36 PM Patent Lawyer <<a href="mailto:patentlawyer995@gmail.com">patentlawyer995@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-7196313718552585748">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> As always, others here can correct me. But here’s one reason to use Article 19 amendments.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> When you enter the national phase in some countries (I believe, e.g., China), you must use the claims from the PCT application. You may have a later opportunity
to amend the claims, but at the time of entry, you are stuck with the PCT claims. And in some countries (again, I believe, e.g., China), you pay a fee per claim.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> So, if you have a PCT application with, say, 100 claims, you can use the Article 19 amendments to reduce the number of claims for fee purposes in some countries.
Then, you can enter the national phase with the Article 19 claim set (the reduced number of claims) in those countries.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> At least in the US, you can enter the national phase with or without the Article 19 amendments. That may be the same for other countries/regions. In that
case, you are not stuck with the Article 19 amendments if you don’t want them.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Again, others here can correct me on the above.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Oppedahl Lists <<a href="mailto:pct-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">pct-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com</a>> on behalf of David Boundy via Pct <<a href="mailto:pct@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">pct@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"For users of the PCT and ePCT. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice." <<a href="mailto:pct@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">pct@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 5:22 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>for users of the Patent Cooperation Treaty <<a href="mailto:pct@oppedahl-lists.com" target="_blank">pct@oppedahl-lists.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>David Boundy <<a href="mailto:DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com" target="_blank">DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Pct] What can I accomplish with an Article 19 Amendment? And question about "computer programmed to" claim?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Question 1.</b> I still don't get the theoretical underpinning of Article 19 amendments. On what I understand today, they're kind of notes in a bottle -- you throw them in the ocean and sooner or later they wash up on some foreign
shore, and then maybe somebody reads them. But I don't see that an ISA has to do anything with them during Chapter I? If you want an ISA/IPEA to actually read the "informal remarks" and do anything with them, you have to file a Chapter II Demand? Is that
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Question 2.</b> I've got a device-with-embedded-software invention, and it's being examined in ISA/Israel. The invention is claimed as "a computer processor and memory, the processor programmed to..." The IL examiner ignores the
functional description of what the programs do, and reads the claim on a totally unrelated reference that uses a few similar keywords to explain that it does the prior art, before my invention comes along and improves it. The ISA/IL examiner says
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an alleged apparatus are not sufficiently clear and not adequately exemplified by the description, contrary to<br>
article 5 and 6. Particularly, it is not clear which is the specific unit which should be responsible for the recited<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My reaction as a U.S. attorney is that the examiner is cheating. But that's probably not helpful. Is the examiner right, is there any such provision in Articles 5 and 6? If so, is the solution to rewrite the claim as "a processor,
and a memory having programs stored therein, that when executed, cause the processor to..." and then point out that the examiner's reference has nothing to do with the claim?<u></u><u></u></p>
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