<div dir="ltr"><div>I don't remember exactly what I did. (That's the way it is after you try bunches of different things, none of which seem to be right, and finally you just give up and do something that seems wrong.)</div><div><br></div><div>I think what I ended up with was two steps:</div><div><br></div><div> 1. ePCT > Documents > Upload > IB > Assignment. Then submit. One transaction.<br></div><div><br></div><div> 2(a). Then Actions > 92bis > ADD a second applicant (rather than CHANGE the existing</div><div> applicant)</div><div><br></div><div> I don't know whether this will work, since there's no assignment doc in support of this</div><div> 92bis change to applicant, because ePCT won't let me upload an Assignment (to my<br></div><div> way of thinking, that's a bug -- it seems more than passing strange that I can't upload<br></div><div> an Assignment in support of a change of applicant. In fact, it seems odd to me that</div><div> ePCT would ever let me change applicant <i><b>without</b></i> a supporting doc.)</div><div><br></div><div> I don't know whether this will work, because on its face, I have now requested two</div><div>
applicants
in parallel, rather than a CHANGE.<br></div><div><br></div><div> 2(b) Then Actions > 92bis > change AGENT</div><div> For this, I can upload a Power of Attorney</div><div><br></div><div> 2(c) I eventually got to "Submit" for this second transaction. But I don't remember how. For a couple things I tried, I couldn't sign (I have no signature authority on behalf of the old applicant or old agent). Eventually I got to something that allowed me to sign, and at this point I was no longer letting "that seems right" get in the way of "Be done. Kill them all and let God sort it out." So I signed it and hit Submit. And I have no idea whether it'll be accepted.</div><div><br></div><div>David<br></div><div> <br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 24, 2024 at 12:28\u202fPM David Boundy <<a href="mailto:DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com">DavidBoundyEsq@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">My client just bought some patent applications from a seller, including some PCT's. I have and Assignment and a Power.</span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">How do I change "applicant" and Power of Attorney in ePCT? I got to epCT > Actions >
<span><span>Rule 92bis change request I see how to do two things, neither of which really fits, and it's odd for ePCT to not have an obviously-right thing to do --</span></span></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span><span> -- select the current "applicant" and use the pencil to "change applicant" -- but that is only for changes of <b>name</b><i> </i>to the same applicant (heir, name change, merger, etc.) I want a <b>different</b> applicant</span></span></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span><span> -- "edit parties" to add a new applicant. I can fill that out, but there's no way to upload an Assignment</span></span></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span><span><br></span></span></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span><span>If I do Upload documents > IB > Assignment, then I'm locked out the 92bis change, can't do it in the same transaction.<br></span></span></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span><span><br></span></span></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span><span>The thing I'm looking for probably does a Change of Applicant, and <b>simultaneously </b>asks for upload of an assignment <b>and simultaneously </b>a Power of Attorney, I would think. For this kind of change of Applicant, it would ask for upload of an Assignment as a supporting document <b>simultaneously</b>. I can't find any of these that guarantees doing everything all at once. I rememebr that it used to be that if you did part of a Rule 92bis change, you'd get locked out for 24 hours, so I didn't want to do that, and I tried to avoid it until I was forced into that corner.<br></span></span></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span><span><br></span></span></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span><span>I stitched something together that gives me heartburn, and will no doubt create heartburn for our friends in Geneva. And now, to my surprise, I am not locked out. Maybe that's the fundamental change.<br></span></span></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span><span><br></span></span></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span><span>Mike or Anne, for this kind of thing, "Change Applicant" and upload Assignment and Change Agent and Upload Power of Attorney are all part and parcel of the same transaction. It's not at all clear how to do that without the 24-hour lockout.<br></span></span></span></font></div><div>
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