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<p>A quarter century ago, more or less, some people from WIPO
contacted me and said they were designing a thing that did not
have a name, but that eventually came to be known as DAS. They
wanted to know my thoughts as to features that might be helpful.</p>
<p>What I told them was that what they were proposing to do was by
far too complicated. Everybody knows how to do cryptographic
signatures using public-key encryption. We could simply ask each
Office of First Filing to publish a public key, and they would use
their private key to e-sign the electronic certified copy. The
practitioner could then upload the cryptographically-signed
electronic certified copy to the Office of Second Filing. The OSF
would go and download the OFF's public key from the web site of
the OFF, and would confirm that the signature was indeed that of
the OSF. This would (a) prove that the signed file had not been
tampered with along the way, and (b) prove that it really had come
from the OFF.</p>
<p>The problem, apparently, was that what I said was false. It is
false to say "everybody knows how to do cryptographic signatures
using public-key encryption". You know how to do it, and I know
how to do it. But most patent offices apparently lacked anybody
on staff that understood public-key crypto. <br>
</p>
<p>So the only choice was for WIPO to proceed with the design and
construction of the system now known as DAS. And so I handed over
my list of features that needed to be provided. These included:</p>
<ul>
<li>Every time any Office retrieves, or attempts to retrieve, an
ECC from DAS, it gets logged in a way that the practitioner can
see.</li>
<li>Every time any Office retrieves, or attempts to retrieve, an
ECC from DAS, an email gets sent to the practitioner. (In other
words, the OSF can be called out as a liar if it claims it was
unable to retrieve the ECC.)</li>
<li>There needed to be a thing that is now known as Certificate of
Availability. (In other words, the OSF can be called out as a
liar if it claims it was unable to retrieve the ECC.)</li>
<li>There needed to be a way that the practitioner could
independently test to see whether the purported Access Code was
indeed the actual Access Code. (In other words, if foreign
counsel mistyped the Access Code when passing it from the OFF to
you, it would be found out that the mistyping happened.)</li>
</ul>
<p>I am delighted to be able to report that the very nice people at
WIPO did implement every feature that I specified.</p>
<p>But anyway, if you were to set a goal of (a) downloading a signed
ECC from an OFF, and (b) uploading the signed ECC to the OSF, and
(c) having it work ... you will fail at your goal. It is exactly
the series of steps that I said every Office ought to be competent
to handle, a quarter of a century ago. But you will not succeed.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/4/2024 9:32 AM, Patent Lawyer via
Pct wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sounds
like crap to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Why would
opening a document remove its digital signature? And why
would they do that? What if you want to check what’s on the
CD before sending it to WIPO?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Perhaps
someone here knows better, but, again, sounds like crap to
me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Oppedahl
Lists <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pct-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com"><pct-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com></a> on behalf of
Katherine Koenig via Pct <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pct@oppedahl-lists.com"><pct@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"For users of the PCT and ePCT. This is
not for laypersons to seek legal advice."
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pct@oppedahl-lists.com"><pct@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 11:25 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>for users of the Patent Cooperation Treaty
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pct@oppedahl-lists.com"><pct@oppedahl-lists.com></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Katherine Koenig
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:katherine@koenigipworks.com"><katherine@koenigipworks.com></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Pct] Digitally signed PDF of certified
copy of US priority document<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A client filed a provisional pro se and
then I came in at the 11<sup>th</sup> hour to file US utility
and PCT applications. Access to participating offices was
inadvertently
<u>not</u> provided by the client in the provisional
application. The day before the provisional expired, I filed
a SB/39 form requesting access. That hasn’t yet been
processed or approved (currently being escalated, however).
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Since DAS is not (yet) an option, I’m
trying to figure out how to get a certified copy of the US
provisional to WIPO. I’ve ordered both hard copy and digital
PDF copy on CD. However, when I try to upload the PDF
document to ePCT, it’s rejected as not being digitally
signed. I called Certified Copy Center and was told that the
document is digitally signed until you open the file on the
CD. Then the digital signature mysteriously disappears, which
is why it’s rejected by ePCT when I open the file and try to
upload it. Instead, we’re supposed to <i><u>mail the CD</u></i>
to WIPO so they can open it and see the signature. Does this
make any sense to anyone? Am I missing something about how to
upload a certified copy in ePCT as an Action? It can’t be
this hard. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black">Best
regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black">Katherine<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black">Dr.
Katherine Koenig<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Corbel",sans-serif;color:black">Registered
Patent Attorney<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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