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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Something in the back of my mind said New Zealand post-dating and I found this
</span><a href="https://www.jamesandwells.com/wp-content/uploads/options-for-allowing-greater-time-to-complete-your-patent-application.pdf">https://www.jamesandwells.com/wp-content/uploads/options-for-allowing-greater-time-to-complete-your-patent-application.pdf</a>
<span style="font-size:11.0pt">which acknowledges that “Another disadvantage is that a few countries
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">(notably the United States) do not accept post-dated priority dates”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">At least one European case dealt with the issue of post-dating and didn’t like it
</span><a href="https://www.epo.org/en/legal/case-law/2022/clr_ii_d_2_5.html">https://www.epo.org/en/legal/case-law/2022/clr_ii_d_2_5.html</a>.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Turning to the question, if the priority document shows the original filing date, then that starts the priority period so April 2025 would be too late and this would be obvious on the face of the document.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">If the priority document shows only a post-dated filing date, then that would be tantamount to state-sponsored fraud. Strong language – but I speak as I find.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Pct <pct-bounces@oppedahl-lists.com>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>William Ahmed via Pct<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 28, 2024 1:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> for Users of the Patent Cooperation Treaty <pct@oppedahl-lists.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> William Ahmed <ahmed.william@ymail.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Pct] PARIS CONVENTION QUESTION --> Indian provisional application -- shifting the filing date by 3 months<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">A friend of mine in Europe asked me a question which I now refer to the list - I think this topic is actually very interesting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">My friend said that in India, after an applicant files a provisional application (i.e. an Indian provisional application, not a US provisional), the Indian office<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">For example, if someone filed a provisional application on Jan 15, 2024, she can later request an April 15, 2024 filing date.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">THE QUESTION --> can someone file an Indian provisional on Jan 15, 2024 (receiving a filing receipt in late January 2024 indicating a filing date of Jan 15, 2024), <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">and THEN in November 2024, get the patent office to give them a NEW date (i.e. for the same application) of April 14, 2024, and then file on April 1, 2025 a PCT (or local
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">claiming priority to the Indian provisional HOPING to get a worldwide 'priority date' of April 14, 2024?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">I am NOT an expert on India (I actually know almost nothing about local law in India), but I understanding from US agent that in the USA there is something analogous.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Someone might file a US non-provisional, forget a drawing, and then petition for the LATER filing date.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">What would Article 4 of the Paris convention say this situation?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Have a great weekend,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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