[E-trademarks] Let me be the first...
Pamela Chestek
pamela at chesteklegal.com
Mon Dec 4 11:58:53 EST 2023
Are you saying the TESS results list? I thought that wasn't admissible
evidence:
> 1208.02 Cited Registrations and Third-Party Registrations and
> Applications (TBMP)
>
> Thus, to make a third-party registration of record, or a registration
> owned by the applicant or registrant not the subject of the appeal, a
> copy of the registration (from either the electronic records of the
> Office or the paper USPTO record) must be submitted. [ Note 5.] /*Mere
> listings of registrations, or copies of private company search
> reports, are not sufficient to make the registrations of record.*/ [
> Note 6.]
>
I thought you've always needed to provide a copy of the registration or
the TSDR print out, which is the official "title and status" copy of a
registration. You can get a bulk download of the registration
certificates from the TSDR Multi-search.
Pam
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On 12/4/2023 8:23 AM, Clarkin, Cheryl via E-trademarks wrote:
>
> I need to file a response today with third-party registrations. If
> the TESS screen is no longer available, what do I submit? TSDR screen
> for each one?
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> *From:* E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On
> Behalf Of *carla calcagno via E-trademarks
> *Sent:* Friday, December 1, 2023 3:29 PM
> *To:* For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
> legal advice. <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Cc:* carla calcagno <cccalcagno at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] Let me be the first...
>
> For the USPTO, this will also make the TTAB's job more difficult. One
> used to be able to introduce pleaded and third party registrations
> into evidence by attaching the easy-to-read TESS screen to a pleading
> or notice of reliance. The TSDR screen is much more complicated and
> much more difficult to read.
>
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 3:03 PM Ignacio, Vanessa A. via E-trademarks
> <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
>
> The USPTO should be somewhat ashamed of itself for solely
> redesigning this system for itself, i.e. to suit its examiners.
> Sure, they have their jobs to do. But rolling out a new search
> system that is less agile in some respects, that will take me and
> my team MORE TIME to compile the same information as before is
> unconscionable. Examiners do not need to be concerned with billing
> their time and devising fee structures that provide value to
> clients while still allow some breathing room to make doing this
> work worthwhile for those of us in private practice. With all the
> pressure to be “more efficient” in the IP space, removing the
> useful TESS summary screen is an unwelcome move, one that is tone
> deaf to the needs of the USPTO’s paying customers.
>
>
>
> *Vanessa A. Ignacio***********
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> *From:* E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On
> Behalf Of *Robert Reynolds via E-trademarks
> *Sent:* Friday, December 1, 2023 2:50 PM
> *To:* For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to
> seek legal advice. <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>; Julia Anne
> Matheson <jmatheson at potomaclaw.com>
> *Cc:* Robert Reynolds <rreynolds at kandrip.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] Let me be the first...
>
> The good news is that the USPTO is aware of how valuable the TESS
> summary screens were. I saw this brought up in each of the
> USPTO-led training sessions I attended, and the speakers
> acknowledged the same. I’m hopeful that it returns.
>
> -Bob
>
> *From:* E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On
> Behalf Of *carla calcagno via E-trademarks
> *Sent:* Friday, December 1, 2023 1:43 PM
> *To:* Julia Anne Matheson <jmatheson at potomaclaw.com>
> *Cc:* carla calcagno <cccalcagno at gmail.com>; For trademark
> practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal advice.
> <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] Let me be the first...
>
> Agreed! All that information, including first use dates, was so
> helpful!
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 6:51 PM Julia Anne Matheson
> <jmatheson at potomaclaw.com> wrote:
>
> All –
>
> My biggest WHINE to the PTO is that the single page that we
> used to get in TESS that shows basis, app no, reg. no, full
> goods/services, status, etc. is not gone – forcing you to go
> into TARR (which is a much less agile system) and into each
> category. It is making what used to be a very simple search
> process _so much more time intensive_ and frustrating.
>
> Please, PTO lurkers, can you bring BACK the overview search
> page? To not be able to see this information at a glance is
> incredibly frustrating.
>
> Julia
>
> *From:* E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *On Behalf Of *carla calcagno via E-trademarks
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2023 6:39 PM
> *To:* Richard Morris <richard at 4trademark.com>
> *Cc:* carla calcagno <cccalcagno at gmail.com>; For trademark
> practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek legal
> advice. <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] Let me be the first...
>
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> Thanks Richard
>
> But at the bottom of the results page, I get weird marks like
> "Brappers" and "Heimlich Helper", because they are picking up
> corporate names as well.
>
> This doesn't matter too much here, as there so few results,
> but I can imagine a case where the mark is weak and the Search
> All will get you MANY results. If anyone at the USPTO is
> monitoring this, it would be great if they could post on
> their help page an answer to this. Or, does the PTO have a
> place where one can send questions that can then be added to
> the Help page
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 6:07 PM Richard Morris
> <richard at 4trademark.com> wrote:
>
> Here is the glitch.
>
> If you search “big john” under *Wordmark* search you get
> 8,929 hits.
>
> A screenshot of a search results Description automatically
> generated
>
> If you search “big john” under *Search by all* then you
> get 21 hits.
>
> A screenshot of a search results Description automatically
> generated
>
> *From: *carla calcagno <cccalcagno at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 5:53 PM
> *To: *"For trademark practitioners. This is not for
> laypersons to seek legal advice."
> <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Cc: *Richard Morris <richard at 4trademark.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [E-trademarks] Let me be the first...
>
> Thanks Richard
>
> You are in basic search right?
>
> And what is the search term you use so that you ONLY get
> BIG JOHN marks instead of marks containing both those names?
>
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 5:50 PM Richard Morris via
> E-trademarks <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:
>
> Susan Crane found the glitch.
>
> You must _not_ limit the search to “Wordmark”. You
> can only search in “Search All”. Try it. You get
> vastly different results.
>
> *From: *E-trademarks
> <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> on behalf of
> "Renee.Kraft via E-trademarks"
> <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Reply-To: *"For trademark practitioners. This is not
> for laypersons to seek legal advice."
> <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 5:37 PM
> *To: *"For trademark practitioners. This is not for
> laypersons to seek legal advice."
> <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Cc: *"Renee.Kraft" <Renee.Kraft at target.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [E-trademarks] Let me be the first...
>
> I also get 95 results with “big AND john” so at least
> there’s consistency!
>
> Maybe try closing out of the current search session
> and starting a new one. You may have accidentally
> clicked something along the way that’s causing the
> issue. I sound like tech support….have you tried
> rebooting? J
>
> *From:* E-trademarks
> <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On Behalf
> Of *Crane, Susan via E-trademarks
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2023 4:30 PM
> *To:* For trademark practitioners. This is not for
> laypersons to seek legal advice.
> <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Cc:* Crane, Susan <susan.crane at wyndham.com>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [E-trademarks] Let me be the
> first...
>
> Odd, when I search “big john” in quotes, I get 95
> results for marks consisting of Big John
>
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> *From:* E-trademarks
> <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On Behalf
> Of *Richard Morris via E-trademarks
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 30, 2023 5:24 PM
> *To:* For trademark practitioners. This is not for
> laypersons to seek legal advice.
> <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
> *Cc:* Richard Morris <richard at 4trademark.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] Let me be the first...
>
> I would like to know how to search for a two-word
> mark. I can search for “BIGJOHN” for example. But when
> I search for “BIG JOHN” as two words I get hundreds of
> trademarks for just the term JOHN and or just the term
> BIG. I only want to retrieve
>
> I would like to know how to search for a two-word mark.
>
> I can search for “BIGJOHN” for example. But when I
> search for “BIG JOHN” as two words I get hundreds of
> trademarks for just the term JOHN and or just the term
> BIG.
>
> I only want to retrieve trademarks that have both words.
>
> Please help.
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard
>
> *From: *E-trademarks
> <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com
> <mailto:e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com>> on
> behalf of Janet Satterthwaite via E-trademarks
> <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com
> <mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>>
> *Reply-To: *"For trademark practitioners. This is not
> for laypersons to seek legal advice."
> <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com
> <mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>>
> *Date: *Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 5:09 PM
> *To: *"Jessica R. Friedman via E-trademarks"
> <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com
> <mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>>
> *Cc: *Janet Satterthwaite
> <jsatterthwaite at potomaclaw.com
> <mailto:jsatterthwaite at potomaclaw.com>>
> *Subject: *[E-trademarks] Let me be the first...
>
> to post a big WHINE about the new search function.
>
> I can't figure out how to search by attorney of record
> or disclaimers, to name a couple of whines.
>
> Then when you click on a hit, it takes you to TSDR
> instead of TESS
>
> There are so many more whines.
>
> PTO—are you lurking? THIS IS VERY BAD.
>
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