[E-trademarks] Let me be the first...

Mon Dec 4 12:02:36 EST 2023

Correct me if I’m wrong, buttheoretically, doesn’t the mere mention of
registration numbers make those registrations a matter of record?  And we
all just attached the registration certificates and/or TESS status as a
convenience for the EA?

Thanks,

Mark

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*Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] Let me be the first...

I need to file a response today with third-party registrations.  If the
TESS screen is no longer available, what do I submit?  TSDR screen for each
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*Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] Let me be the first...

For the USPTO, this will also make the TTAB's job more difficult.  One used
to be able to introduce pleaded and third party registrations into evidence
by attaching the easy-to-read TESS screen to a pleading or notice of
reliance.  The TSDR screen is much more complicated and much more difficult
to read.

On Fri, Dec 1, 2023 at 3:03 PM Ignacio, Vanessa A. via E-trademarks <
e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:

The USPTO should be somewhat ashamed of itself for solely redesigning this
system for itself, i.e. to suit its examiners. Sure, they have their jobs
to do. But rolling out a new search system that is less agile in some
respects, that will take me and my team MORE TIME to compile the same
information as before is unconscionable. Examiners do not need to be
concerned with billing their time and devising fee structures that provide
value to clients while still allow some breathing room to make doing this
work worthwhile for those of us in private practice. With all the pressure
to be “more efficient” in the IP space, removing the useful TESS summary
screen is an unwelcome move, one that is tone deaf to the needs of the
USPTO’s paying customers.

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*Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] Let me be the first...

The good news is that the USPTO is aware of how valuable the TESS summary
screens were. I saw this brought up in each of the USPTO-led training
sessions I attended, and the speakers acknowledged the same. I’m hopeful
that it returns.

-Bob

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*Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] Let me be the first...

Agreed! All that information, including first use dates, was so helpful!

On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 6:51 PM Julia Anne Matheson <
jmatheson at potomaclaw.com> wrote:

All –

My biggest WHINE to the PTO is that the single page that we used to get in
TESS that shows basis, app no, reg. no, full goods/services, status, etc.
is not gone – forcing you to go into TARR (which is a much less agile
system) and into each category.  It is making what used to be a very simple
search process *so much more time intensive* and frustrating.

Please, PTO lurkers, can you bring BACK the overview search page?  To not
be able to see this information at a glance is incredibly frustrating.

Julia

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Thanks Richard

 But at the bottom of the results page, I get weird marks like "Brappers"
and "Heimlich Helper", because they are picking up corporate names as well.

This doesn't matter too much here, as there so few results, but I can
imagine a case where the mark is weak and the Search All will get you MANY
results.  If anyone at the USPTO is monitoring this,  it would be great if
they could post on their help page an answer to this. Or, does the PTO have
a place where one can send  questions that can then be added to the Help
page

On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 6:07 PM Richard Morris <richard at 4trademark.com>
wrote:

Here is the glitch.

If you search “big john” under *Wordmark* search you get 8,929 hits.

[image: A screenshot of a search results Description automatically
generated]

If you search “big john” under *Search by all* then you get 21 hits.

[image: A screenshot of a search results Description automatically
generated]

*From: *carla calcagno <cccalcagno at gmail.com>
*Date: *Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 5:53 PM
*To: *"For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
legal advice." <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
*Cc: *Richard Morris <richard at 4trademark.com>
*Subject: *Re: [E-trademarks] Let me be the first...

Thanks Richard

You are in basic search right?

And what is the search term you use so that you ONLY get BIG JOHN marks
instead of marks containing both those names?

On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 5:50 PM Richard Morris via E-trademarks <
e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com> wrote:

Susan Crane found the glitch.

You must *not* limit the search to “Wordmark”.   You can only search in
“Search All”.    Try it.   You get vastly different results.

*From: *E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> on behalf of
"Renee.Kraft via E-trademarks" <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
*Reply-To: *"For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to
seek legal advice." <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
*Date: *Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 5:37 PM
*To: *"For trademark practitioners. This is not for laypersons to seek
legal advice." <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
*Cc: *"Renee.Kraft" <Renee.Kraft at target.com>
*Subject: *Re: [E-trademarks] Let me be the first...

I also get 95 results with “big AND john” so at least there’s consistency!

Maybe try closing out of the current search session and starting a new one.
You may have accidentally clicked something along the way that’s causing
the issue. I sound like tech support….have you tried rebooting? J

*From:* E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On Behalf
Of *Crane, Susan via E-trademarks
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*Cc:* Crane, Susan <susan.crane at wyndham.com>
*Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [E-trademarks] Let me be the first...

Odd, when I search “big john” in quotes, I get 95 results for marks
consisting of Big John

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*From:* E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> *On Behalf
Of *Richard Morris via E-trademarks
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*Subject:* Re: [E-trademarks] Let me be the first...

I would like to know how to search for a two-word mark. I can search for
“BIGJOHN” for example. But when I search for “BIG JOHN” as two words I get
hundreds of trademarks for just the term JOHN and or just the term BIG. I
only want to retrieve

I would like to know how to search for a two-word mark.

I can search for “BIGJOHN” for example.   But when I search for “BIG JOHN”
as two words I get hundreds of trademarks for just the term JOHN and or
just the term BIG.

I only want to retrieve trademarks that have both words.

Please help.

Thanks

Richard

*From: *E-trademarks <e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com> on behalf of
Janet Satterthwaite via E-trademarks <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
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seek legal advice." <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>
*Date: *Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 5:09 PM
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*Cc: *Janet Satterthwaite <jsatterthwaite at potomaclaw.com>
*Subject: *[E-trademarks] Let me be the first...

to post a big WHINE about the new search function.

I can't figure out how to search by attorney of record or disclaimers, to
name a couple of whines.

Then when you click on a hit, it takes you to TSDR instead of TESS

There are so many more whines.

PTO—are you lurking? THIS IS VERY BAD.

*Janet F. Satterthwaite*|Partner/ Chair, Trademark Practice|Potomac Law
Group, PLLC

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