[E-trademarks] New Search System: used-based field and combining searches?

Mon Dec 4 16:19:13 EST 2023

Maria,

New Search is a total dumpster fire.  The few handouts the PTO distributed are woefully inadequate.  Through trial and error I finally figured out how to combine GS terms, but it will not reliably build sets or download search history.  I thought this was a Firefox compatibility issue, but  it isn't.  Go beyond 3-4 seaches and Chrome won't download search history either.

This is really sad.  They've taken a very reliable and powerful free search tool and destroyed it.  There could not have been any serious beta testing on this.

My only consolation is that, unless the examining attorneys are using something completely different, they are in the same boat and should be howling!

Looks like it's back to private search.  I've heard TKO is pretty good.  I just hate to charge clients for any private search when for 23 years we had a great "free" search that worked.

Charles
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Subject: [E-trademarks] New Search System: used-based field and combining searches?

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Colleagues, sorry if this has been discussed. I searched the list but didn’t find an answer.

(I so deeply hate this new search tool, why, just why change something that has worked and users have gotten used to).

I am working on yet another non-relatedness of goods response. I need to do search #1 for all marks for goods #1 and search #2 for all marks in goods #2, then I need to find the intersection of the two sets.

-       I cannot figure out how to limit search #1 and Search #2 to used-based (1(a)) marks. It used to be easy.

-       I cannot figure out where the search history is in order to combine, say Search 1 and Search 4. Am I supposed to remember which search was which number??

HELP!!!

I didn’t find a decent tutorial or a help tool on the new search page. I might have missed it in the overall resentment of being forced into this new feature.

TIA!

Maria

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From: E-trademarks [mailto:e-trademarks-bounces at oppedahl-lists.com] On Behalf Of Ron Kadden via E-trademarks
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Subject: Re: [E-trademarks] New Search System: Cannot Reliably Combine Search Results

The problem may be that you are trying to combine sets with the drop-down box set to "Search by field tag." When I changed the drop-down box setting to "Search by all," after searching by field tags, I was able to combine sets.

A better Help page is badly needed.

Ron Kadden

On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 6:00 PM Charles Luce via E-trademarks <e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com<mailto:e-trademarks at oppedahl-lists.com>> wrote:

Among the other bugs, an attempt to combine search results 7 and 9 using this per the "help" screen:

7 AND 9

only prompts one that a field code is missing.

MAJOR bug if we cannot combine sets.

Charles F. Luce, Jr.
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